Re: [G] and [g] and PIE voiced plosives

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
>
> > , and geminated stems are short-vowel already).
> > > The only words in Dutch that match the top group is ruw/ruig. Note
> > > the double form: -u- /ü/ is from /u/, -ui- /öÜ/ is from /u:/, so
> > > that one suspects there was once a similar length-changing rule for
> > > Dutch.
> >
> > I suspect that Dutch <ruw> is from forms similar to OE <ru:wes>,
> > <ru:wa> etc., the inflected forms of <ru:h> (beside <ru:gan> etc., and
> > usually <ru:hne> <ru:hra> before consonants). Thus the forms that
> > gave OE <ru:h> became Dutch <ruig> while the forms that gave OE
> > <ru:w-> became Dutch <ruw>, i.e. from forms with a long vowel, not
> > short.
>
> Are you positive (outside of what the textbook says) that it was not
> instead /rux/, /ru:wes/?
>
>
> Torsten
>

These language historians/linguists, at least the diligent ones, who
analyze Old English and other ancient languages always have good
reason to declare that a vowel is either long or short. They usually
base it on the metre or other solid clues. If <ruh> had a variant
with a short vowel, they would have mentioned it. A. Campbell, my
main source, in particular always mentions virtually all possible
variants or types of variants that occur in OE for particular words or
for particular phonemes. In other words, you can trust _this_ textbook.

Andrew