Re: Sos-

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From: "Petr Hrubis" <petr.hrubis@...>
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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Sos-


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> Interesting, Arnaud. Thanks a lot for the information! By the way, do
> you have a pdf copy of the paper?
>
> Best,
>
> Petr

Unfortunately I do not.
I hope you may or somebody may get it.

Best.

A.
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> 2009/1/29 Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...>:
>>>> Well, have you read Vovin's article on the possible Yeniseic
>>>> membership in the Hunnic alliance? (I don't recall the precise
>>>> reference at the moment) If he is right, this may have interesting
>>>> implications...
>>>
>>> Don't leave out Pulleyblank.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu
>>> Note the Scythian connection too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Torsten
>>>
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>> I found a sentence about this Jie2 language.
>> Apparently, it's the sentence Vovin has tried to analyse but I'm not
>> sure.
>>
>> The first point is this caracter Jie2 is reconstructed as *kjot by Baxter
>> and *kat by Starostin.
>> It's quite dubious that it refers to Ket, Kot seems a better match.
>>
>> The second point is : Chinese sources explicitly states this sentence is
>> Jie2 language, and this Jie2 people are explicitly listed among the
>> XiongNu.
>> So I wonder why there is any controversy about this *kjot/*kat people
>> being
>> XiongNu.
>>
>> The only obscure point is the possibility of linking this *kjot/*kat
>> people
>> with Yeniseian Ket/Kot people.
>>
>> The sentence reads :
>> The army : xiu4-zhi1 < MC *sjuwH-tsie
>> has been deployed : ti4-li4-gang1 < MC *thejH-lejH-kang
>> (with the aim)
>> the (honorific title) : pu2-gu3 < MC *buwk-kuwk
>> to catch : tu1-qu2-dang < MC *tuwk-gju-tangH
>>
>> This language clearly has a voiced / voiceless / aspirate contrast.
>> which eliminates any Uralo-Altaic language.
>> Kott seems to be a reasonable possibility.
>>
>> The first word is unknown
>> The second could be thax "schicken, to send"
>> The third word could be related to *berke-kej/kuk "great prince"
>> The last could be to:N-tet "fassen, to seize"
>> Note that the voiced, voiceless, aspirate features match.
>>
>> It seems to fit fairly well.
>>
>> Arnaud
>>
>>
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