From: Rick McCallister
Message: 62431
Date: 2009-01-09
> From: Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...>Any chance these 2 are from *bhV-dhe "make be" vs. "make known, manifest", etc.???
> Subject: Re: [tied] offer-command-announce-awake-aware-inquire-learn-understand-know
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 4:01 PM
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud Fournet"
> <fournet.arnaud@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew Jarrette"
> <anjarrette@...>
> >
> > > what's the difference between *bheudh and
> *bheidh ?
> > >
> > > A.
> > >
> >
> > That raises another question I have always had:
> > [...]
> > But it seems that Pokorny and many
> > other scholars only reluctantly assign Gmc *bi:dan to
> this root, or
> > they do not place it under this root at all. I've
> never understood
> > this reluctance, it seems such a natural shift of
> meaning.
> > [...]
> > Andrew
> >
> > ======
> >
> > Acknowledging that *bheidh and *bheudh are basically
> only one and
> the same
> > root *bh_dh (with different vocalic schemes) would
> bust the standard
> > theories of PIE apophony and PIE root structure.
> > It's no surprise this will be stamped down
> whatever the evidence is.
> > Halleluyah to the dogmas !
> >
> > A.
> >
>
>
> I suppose the above idea would work with a *baidjan
> "compel, urge" =
> *beudan "command" equation, although I don't
> see how it would work
> with the other meanings of *bheudh- which are probably more
> original.
>
> I've heard of Gmc *bidjan being considered a derivative
> of the
> *bheidh- root, but its meaning seems more appropriate to
> have been
> derived from *bheudh-: from "find out" (as in
> Greek) to "ask". Then
> again it is more accurately "request", and this
> _may_ involve having
> _faith_ that the person will give you what you ask for (or
> _waiting_
> on the person to give you what you hope for, like
> "begging"), although
> these seem pretty weak equations. I don't know, what
> do other people
> think of the idea of *bidjan belonging to *bheidh-?
> Then there's the idea that it goes back to *gWHedH-,
> which has many
> firm cognates meaning "ask, pray, seek, desire"
> across a wide area of
> Indo-European, very attractive for those who believe PIE
> *gWH became
> Gmc *b. I personally don't yet believe that equation,
> but it's
> interesting that it parallels the change of PIE *gW to *b
> in Irish
> alongside *kW and *gWH becoming <c> and <g> in
> that language
> (presumably from earlier *kw and *gw), like PIE *kW and *gW
> becoming
> *hw and *kw in Gmc alongside *b from *gWH, if that change
> really
> happened). I suppose this is one of those disputes that
> will never be
> firmly resolved.
>
> Andrew