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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Jarrette" <anjarrette@...>
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> > what's the difference between *bheudh and *bheidh ?
> >
> > A.
> >
>
> That raises another question I have always had:
> [...]
> But it seems that Pokorny and many
> other scholars only reluctantly assign Gmc *bi:dan to this root, or
> they do not place it under this root at all. I've never understood
> this reluctance, it seems such a natural shift of meaning.
> [...]
> Andrew
>
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>
> Acknowledging that *bheidh and *bheudh are basically only one and
the same
> root *bh_dh (with different vocalic schemes) would bust the standard
> theories of PIE apophony and PIE root structure.
> It's no surprise this will be stamped down whatever the evidence is.
> Halleluyah to the dogmas !
>
> A.
>
I suppose the above idea would work with a *baidjan "compel, urge" =
*beudan "command" equation, although I don't see how it would work
with the other meanings of *bheudh- which are probably more original.
I've heard of Gmc *bidjan being considered a derivative of the
*bheidh- root, but its meaning seems more appropriate to have been
derived from *bheudh-: from "find out" (as in Greek) to "ask". Then
again it is more accurately "request", and this _may_ involve having
_faith_ that the person will give you what you ask for (or _waiting_
on the person to give you what you hope for, like "begging"), although
these seem pretty weak equations. I don't know, what do other people
think of the idea of *bidjan belonging to *bheidh-?
Then there's the idea that it goes back to *gWHedH-, which has many
firm cognates meaning "ask, pray, seek, desire" across a wide area of
Indo-European, very attractive for those who believe PIE *gWH became
Gmc *b. I personally don't yet believe that equation, but it's
interesting that it parallels the change of PIE *gW to *b in Irish
alongside *kW and *gWH becoming <c> and <g> in that language
(presumably from earlier *kw and *gw), like PIE *kW and *gW becoming
*hw and *kw in Gmc alongside *b from *gWH, if that change really
happened). I suppose this is one of those disputes that will never be
firmly resolved.
Andrew