Re: offer-command-announce-awake-aware-inquire-learn-understand-know

From: Anatoly Guzaev
Message: 62433
Date: 2009-01-10

Thanks for your answer Anrew,

I wonder if, for instance, Polish pytać (ask) is related to budzić (Sl. budit "wake")? Also I was struck by an idea that Slavic molit (pray) or rather modlit (like in Polish modlitwa) could be a derivative of a previous form bodlit/boldit/budit? B > m sound change, I suppose, may not be regarded as impossible in this case : bolditva > molditva > molitva? For exaple, the question is, what the relation could be between Czech vybídnout (ask) and ptat (ask); especially if it was correlated with the Serb.-Cr. adjective upitno (questioning) and the noun pitanje (Pol. pytanie "question")?

Of course, I have no clear picture about this "awaking" at all and I cannot say anything for sure here. I just guessed that the sound 'l' was omitted in the majority of Slavic words I mentioned in my earlier post.

The wake (budzenie, про-буждение, buden, bdeni) is a "starting point", a beginning of something else and it may be the reason why the Sanskrit word budh/búdhyate has many different but logically explainable connotations beside "to wake": to make sensible, cause to know, inform, admonish, persuade, convince...



To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
From: anjarrette@...
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:57:17 +0000

I think most scholars take Russian <ubedit'> as related to Germanic
*baidjan (OE b忙:dan, OHG beiten, ON bei冒a, Goth baidjan, all "force,
compel, urge, etc."). <bditel'nost' > probably comes from the reduced
grade *bhudh- of *bheudh- (*bud- > bd- when unstressed in Slavic,
right?), so is not a cognate of English <vigilance> (from Latin, from
an IE *wVg(h)- root, and so probably not cognate with Srb-Cr
<vikanje>). I think <buden> (<budzenie>, etc.) is very obviously
derived from the o-grade *bhoudh- of the *bheudh- root (since it has
the same basic meaning it has in the other Slavic words from this root
and in Indic), and there is no need to postulate *bheu(l)g- or
*bheu(l)d-. I don't see how one can derive <molitva> or <pitanje>
from a root *bheu(l)d- (and by the way a root of the form *bheuld-
would not be allowed in PIE, I'm pretty sure: you could have either
*bheld- or *bheud- but not *bheuld-), they're pretty obviously
unrelated since they have completely different consonants. I don't
know about <buka>, I think I read somewhere that it actually derives
from PIE *bouk- with *b- rather than *bh-, so probably not related to
the *bheudh- root. Probably Piotr or one of the others will provide
you with more information.

Andrew



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