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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:
>
> At 10:39:09 AM on Monday, November 10, 2008, tgpedersen
> wrote:
>
> > de Vries' Altnordisches etymologisches Wörterbuch informs
> > me (entry ey "insel") that Gotland in Finnish is
> > 'Voijonmaa, richtiger Vuojanmaa' and 'eig. Insel-land'.
>
> Somehow you failed to mention that this appears s.v. <ey>
> because de Vries, citing Karsten, FMS 2, 1934, 50-3, takes
> <Vuojan-> to be a borrowing of the Scandinavian word.
Yes, in all the enthusiasm I overlooked that little arrow; actually
it's not a hindrance.
Jouppe in his list of Archaic Pre-Finnic Lexemes Preserved in Finnish
(in the Files section) has
Finnish vuo "stream, torrent, riverbed",
Pre-Finnic (Proto-Finnic?, < PFU) uva < uwå,
entry in Uralisches Etymologisches Wörterbuch un,a
attested also in Saami and ObUgric
I'm not aware of what principles he has used for identifying
possible correspondenes in IE to his FU glosses.
Here are two in Finnish vou- from his list:
vuori "hill, mountain, height", PFinnic voori < woori,
UEW we,re (Permic, ObUgric?)
< PIA *aras- or arah
vuosi "year", PFinnic ooti,
UEW ode(oode) (Saami, Permic, ObUgric?, Hungarian?)
< PIA *vatas- or *vatah
The latter one I've been looking at too
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/45139
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/56709
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/51110
This is getting complicated.
As for a possible *w- > *g- (*G-?) in Gothic/Jutic (and I'm talking
low register, obviously not Wulfila's Gothic, which might have been
derived from the language of the invaders):
http://www.arts.usyd.edu.au/departs/medieval/saga/pdf/303-martin.pdf
the beginning of the text of Codex Gothanus
http://www.northvegr.org/lore/germanic/c.php
cf. gutan- in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Pietroassa
> Google tells me that Karsten is T.E. Karsten, and FMS is
> probably Folkmålsstudier.
Thanx, I couldn't find it in de Vries list of abbr.
> The name, of course, may be a topographical description and
> need not have anything to do with the <Got-> of <Gotland>.
It might be both, that's the point. Interesting that also Åland and
Öland have *an,W- "water", in them; did Goths inhabit them all?
Cf Jordanes' Oium.
Torsten