Re: Scandinavia and the Germanic tribes such as Goths, Vandals, Angl

Juutti/Juuti- is a perfectly regular loan from an old (eastern) norse
form jut- where eu- has already (appr. a.d. 800) undergone the accent
shift. There is nothing to suggest that it should be any older than
12-13th century when the Danish and Swedish crowns competed for
supremacy in the Gulf of Finland. Off the southern coast of Finland
there are two large islands sw. Ju:sarö <= fi. *Juutinsaari 'Isle of
the Danes' and sw. Russarö <= *Rootsinsaari 'Isle of the Swedes'.

The etnonym <juutti> 'Dane' is perfectly synonymous with the younger
word <tanskalainen> 'Dane'. Juutti just sounds a bit archaic, perhaps
dialectal or poetic. Most likely <Juutinrauma> is an autochtonous
construction from the etnonym, that is 'the stream of the Danes'. It
does not necessarily in my view presoppose an original **Jutstraum.
In fact such a borrowing would contain a chronological paradox since
the word rauma ~ stream must be borrowed from Proto-Norse before the
loss of the stem -a whereas Juutti must be borrowed after the accent
shifted in a.d. 800. Thus the name merely prooves that Finnish used
the word <Juutti> for all the Danes (cf. <Saksa> for Germany).

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> > > Which means I'd have to posit some pre-Gmc. *egut-/*eyut- vel
sim.
> > > According to Snorri, the Jutes were formerly called Reidgotar,
> > > and those to the east of them Eygotar.
> > >
> > > http://runeberg.org/antiqtid/5/0039.html
> > > http://runeberg.org/antiqtid/5/0040.html
> > >
> > > Earlier all Danes were called Juutteja in Finnish and the
> > > Øresund, where there have never been any Jutes, to my
knowledge,
> > > is still called Juutinrauma, Jouppe assured me.
>
> >
> > Juutinrauma "the Jute Room"? Isn't jute furniture flammable?
> The Jute stream, is what it means.
> > So if the Jutes were once Ey-gotar, what does *ey- < egut- mean?
> Actually the text says
> http://runeberg.org/antiqtid/5/0039.html
> that what before was called Reidgotaland and Eygotaland are now
called
> Danaveldi og Sviaveldi.
>
> > Because if you're starting from Eygot-, then you may have a case.
> > But who besides Snorri backs you up?
> Hervarar sägn
> > What does Jouppe say about the Juut- ?
> What I quoted him for above on Finnish.
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> Torsten
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