From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 60707
Date: 2008-10-09
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From: "stlatos" <stlatos@...>
>> >
>> > An IE language spoken in Greece before Hellenic settlement added a
>> > before some consonant clusters beginning a word: *tpelyo- > apellon
>> > 'black poplar', *trktro- > atraktos 'spindle', *tlaxa:ns > Atla:s.
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> Not an optional a- in PIE, an obligatory a- before many consonant
> clusters in some IE language spoken in Greece (not Greek, rather a
> pre-Hellenic language spoken there (or PLST for short)).
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Apellon is from a-pel-lon
I'm not convinced by your *tlaxans ??
I would think a-tla:-s is from *a-tlH2-s 'the one who carries'
Maybe a more-learned can provide some insight *tleH2.
Arnaud
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> Since comparison with other languages makes it clear this a- came
> from earlier u-.
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??
This needs more information to be believed.
Arnaud
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>
>> Apellon is direct from a-pellon
>> (no need for a t- otherwise it should be **aptellon)
>> Arnaud
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>
> Other languages show t. I wonder how you can know that tp > pt and
> remained in an indirectly-attested language.
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What about LAtin populus ?
Where is the -t- ?
Apellon and populus show the root can be *p_l
No -t-.
Arnaud
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>> >
>> > Since Deukalion is supposed to come from *dleuk-sxalyo- 'sweet /
>> > freshwater sailor' < *dlukus 'sweet / freshwater' and *sxal 'salt,
>> > seawater'
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>> Out of *dleuk-sH2alyo-, I would expect **leuksalio
>
> In which language? I said l-l > 0-l in Greek, l-l > l-0 in PLST.
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Why should I accept that ?
Adhoc ?
Arnauc
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>
>> And should this not be better constructed as *dleuk-o-sH2alyo- ?
>>
>> Arnaud
>>
> No, why would a u-stem (G glukus) have a compound form with -o? It
> was *dLeukusxaLyo- with u-u > u within a word of at least 3 syllables
> as in many IE languages.
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??
Could you please document this ?
Arnaud
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