From: Andrew Jarrette
Message: 60375
Date: 2008-09-26
>Anglian
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@> wrote:
> >
> > At 3:21:58 PM on Friday, September 26, 2008, Arnaud Fournet
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: "Andrew Jarrette" <anjarrette@>
> >
> > >> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud Fournet"
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > >>> To start with, I think such a thing like -tl- is
> > >>> impossible in PIE. This cluster becomes -tr-.
> >
> > >> Then what of Germanic words like OE (Anglian) <ne:þl>
> > >> "needle", <boþl> "dwelling", and Lithuanian words like
> > >> <arklas> "plough"? Don't these go back to PIE *-tl-?
> >
> > > I have needle from OE naedle
> >
> > The usual citation form is <næ:dl>; attested spellings
> > include <nædl>, <naeðl>, <nedl>, <nethl>, and <netl>. In
> > the Épinal-Erfurt Glossary (8th century) Latin <pictus acu>
> > is glossed <mið naeðlae asiuuid>. <Ne:þl> (or <ne:ðl>)
> > would be an Anglian form corresponding to <næðl>.
> >
> > > and booth seems to be a Danish loan-word.
> >
> > The word in question isn't <booth>; it's the OE word
> > underlying the second element of such place-names as
> > <Harbottle>, <Newbottle>, etc. The usual citation form is
> > <botl> 'a dwelling, habitation, building'. I'm not aware of
> > any <ð> or <þ> variants of this word, but given the
> > cognates, including ON <ból>, it can only be from *boþla-.
> >
> > Brian
> >
>
> The citation <boðle> (dat. sg.) occurs in Bede's writings, and
> according to A. Campbell, the place-name <Bothel> in Cumberland is
> representative of this word. I used this example because of its
> clear connection to a PIE root; unfortunately it is not common in
> earlier Anglian texts. However there are many other earlier-
> words, such as <a:ðle> d.sg. "disease", <we:ðl> "poor", <mi:ðlum>d.
> pl. "horse's bit", also <seþel> "sedes" (beside<setel> "cathedra"),
> which do not have a clear PIE source, which also demonstrate thishas
> Anglian sound-sequence (A. Campbell says the change *-þl- > -tl-
> no parallel in Anglian, and the spirant *ð/þ is always retainedof
> before *l in such Anglian words, in early Old English). The forms
> all these words with -dl- (usual after long vowels) or -tl- (usualAnd oh yes I forgot about the other variants <bold> "dwelling", <a:ld>
> after short vowels) are found in West Saxon and Kentish; later
> Anglian has -dl- in these words alongside the earlier forms
> (according to A. Campbell).