From: george knysh
Message: 59883
Date: 2008-08-27
--- On Wed, 8/27/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
--- In cybalist@... s.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
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> --- On Wed, 8/27/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@ ...> wrote:
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> I believe
> Proto-Germanic was Przeworsk-talk, which became the common language
> of Ariovistus'/ Harjagist' s army,
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> GK: Which Germanic tribe in Ariovistus' army (from those listed
> in Caesar) was originally "Przeworsk" as to material culture?
Those were Harudes, Marcomani, Triboci, Vangiones, Nemetes, Sedusii
and Suebi. That would have been the Suebi.
****GK: But the quintessential Suebi (the Semnones),and many other Suebi, were not of Przeworsk, but of Jastorf culture. And we can't really say whether Ariovistus was Jastorf or Przeworsk (or even Oksywie). The best bet is that he was Jastorf. Here is a citation from Shchukin (the best recent authority on Slavic genesis BTW, whom you really should read before uttering more of your usual inanities about Slavs in Przeworsk: cf. http://www.krotov.info/history/09/schukin.html
"The Przeworkers were dragged into the orbit of the actions of migrants from the core of the Yastorf culture, who appeared on the Main and in Gaul in connection with the westward movement of Ariovistus' Germani...This movement is attested in a series of archaeological sites in the Elbe-Saale interfluvial area, and on the Main. They contain twisted armaments, ceramics, and other elements of the Przeworsk and Oksywie cultures [with references to Hachmann, Peschel, Godlowski, and Shchukin himself)."
> and that all other languages of the
> later Germania were para-Germanic, at the most, and died out.
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> GK: On what do you base the continuing importance of
> "Przeworsk-talk" in Germania after the collapse of Ariovistus in 58
> BCE?
On the conquest of Thuringia, from which the culture spread northward.
****GK: Przeworsk did not spread northward from Thuringia. And in the east, what remained of Przeworsk played a consistently secondary role.****