Re: immigration, Germanic and Indo-Aryan

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

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> --- On Wed, 8/27/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> I believe
> Proto-Germanic was Przeworsk-talk, which became the common language
> of Ariovistus'/ Harjagist' s army,
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> ****GK: Which Germanic tribe in Ariovistus' army (from those listed
> in Caesar) was originally "Przeworsk" as to material culture?****

Those were Harudes, Marcomani, Triboci, Vangiones, Nemetes, Sedusii
and Suebi. That would have been the Suebi.

> and that all other languages of the
> later Germania were para-Germanic, at the most, and died out.
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> ****GK: On what do you base the continuing importance of
> "Przeworsk-talk" in Germania after the collapse of Ariovistus in 58
> BCE?****

On the conquest of Thuringia, from which the culture spread northward.

> > Contrast this with India, where strictly nobody and no
> > single line in the whole of Indic literature refers to any
> > proto-Indo-Aryan immigration, as Elphinstone already observed in
> > the 1840s and as has only been confirmed since.
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> Food for thought.
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> ****GK: Snorri might even turn Torsten into an OIT believer? (:=))?

I've reasoned earlier that there must have been some connection
eastward for the whole Middle East / European culture. The present
polycentric view (actually bicentric: Middle East and Far East) of the
history of the world doesn't make sense.

> BTW Tacitus believed the German(ic)s to be autochtons. Presumably
> there was nothing about migrations in their old songs (ditto
> earlier re Scythians, and many others. So the Elphinstone point is
> hardly "food for thought").****

Those songs were the songs of the autochthonous populations of
Germania. Tacitus would not have been interested in the Ariovistus
story, which he knew already.


Torsten