From: tgpedersen
Message: 59880
Date: 2008-08-27
>And the Germanic and IE cognates are?
>
> > It is obvious to Snorri and everyone else who used their heads at
> > his time that the Celtic etc district and place names in England
> > are not from the language family he saw in the corresponding
> > place names in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany and partly
> > England. Similarly, the fact that some Germani in Tacitus' time
> > saw the names of the Marsi, Gambrivii, Suevi, Vandilii as genuine
> > old names does not mean that they are genuine old Germanic names,
> > in fact they would probably not have seen them as such since they
> > don't have a Germanic etymology.
>
> Gambrivii - likely related to Old High German gambar "vigorous".
> Suevi is supposed to be a derivative of the Germanic root *swe-The -w-/-b- alternation presents an unexplained problem. It seem to
> denoting kinship, this is related to OHG swio, geswio "brother in
> law" (sister's husband). O. Szemeryeni suggested that Suebi
> represents a Germanic development of PIE *swe-bhu:- "growth,
> offspring, belonging to the joint family clan" ("Studies in the
> Kinship Terminology of the Indo European Languagess"; 1977; p. 46).
> Vandilii seems like it is derived from Gmnc *wandiloz "wanderer".Supposedly connected to PIE *wendh-. The -a-, like that of Vandili, is
> Marsi could be related to Gothic marzjan "to upset/bother" (fromKuhn connects them to the Italic Marsi, with various toponymic
> PIE *mer-s- to anger, bother".