From: tgpedersen
Message: 59819
Date: 2008-08-17
> Here is my version.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I_(Y-DNA)
> I realized last night this is what might have happened.
> I felt sick.
>
> When the Przeworsk
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przeworsk_culture
> and Zarubintsy
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarubintsy_culture
> cultures made contact, they mixed, and a (more or less forced)
> division of labor arose: Slavic (from Zarubintzy) speaking farmers,
> Germanic (from Przeworsk) speaking predators/rulers. A number of
> people, refugees from the Mithridatic war north of the Black sea
> arrives, carrying I1a, once carried by only a small group of people.
> Somehow a few of them take over.
>
> Woden/Ariovistus/Harjagist-, who had led a major campaign through
> the Wetterau valley and had almost completed the conquest of what
> is now Southern Germany (south of the river Main) from the Boii and
> Helvetii, was hired by the Arverni and Sequani to wage war on the
> Aedui, the arrangement being, as usual, that the farmers in the
> land where they were stationed should provide food (and
> accommodation?) for them. Since the Aedui were officially friends
> of the Romans, Caesar as Roman consul negotiated with Ariovistus
> and after getting an agreement that A. would get out of his
> employment with the Arverni and Sequani and stop waging war on the
> Aedui, A. was pronounced a friend of the Roman people. However, A.
> does not leave Sequani territory. The Aedui and Sequani reach an
> agreement that this can't be tolerated, so they together attack A.,
> but are routed. A., who suspects Caesar has had a role to play in
> this betrayal, now has to find someone trustworthy to provide
> provisions, so he demands another third of the Sequani land and
> sends for the Charudes/Hrvaty/Croats from the Carpatians, so that
> they might take over evicted farms (this is not a type of work, the
> Germani part of A.'s army want to bother with here or elsewhere).
> The plan backfires, A. is defeated, and the Charudes/Hrvaty/Croats
> are stuck en route, property-less, most of them probably in
> Noricum, ruled by A.'s brother-in-law, king Voccio. They have now
> become a political embarasment to king V. in his relationship with
> the Romans and he decides to get rid of A.'s and his advisors'
> helmets at Negow, eventually bequeathing his realm to the Romans on
> his death in 15 BCE, probably with some kind of understanding that
> this would avert reprisals, and the unwanted Charudes/Hrvaty/Croats
> begin to migrate south, becoming the South Slavs. They would then
> be the people carrying the Croatian variant I1b-M227
> http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI08.html
> the rest of the Charudes etc went north with the other Germani and
> ended in Jutland (Hardsyssel) and Norway (Hordaland).
>
> Snorri: Prologue:
> 'The Æsir took wives of the land for themselves, and some also for
> their sons; and these kindreds became many in number, so that
> throughout Saxland, and thence all over the region of the north,
> they spread out until their tongue, even the speech of the men of
> Asia, was the native tongue over all these lands.'
>
> I1a (Oppenheimer's Ian) has a frequency of 37% in Denmark. There are
> no female correspondences to it in distribution.
>
> More than one third. That must have been a bloody affair.
> On the other hand I think I read that a similar sociological process
> took place in Persia after the Islamic conquest.
>
> Those people populated a large part of NWEurope, under the name of
> Germani, from the language their upper class picked up in Przeworsk.
>
> For those that think mass killings is a modern phenomenon
> www.austhink.org/monk/War2.doc
>
> Here's something Brian might like:
> http://tinyurl.com/6ql4q7
>
> Criminal, POW; once they're in the grave, no one can tell the
> difference. Perhaps the 'execution cemeteries' should be reevaluated
> as just mass graves. The criminals were guilty of not being
> Germanic.
>
> The only solid thing ethnically we know of I2 is that is is common
> in Sardinia. The only major migratory thing, we might connect with
> Sardinia is the Sea Peoples
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/16277
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples
>
> It would seem some of the sea peoples had connections in NWEurope?