Re: V-, B-

> > > The notion that Indo-Iranian-speakers inhabited pre-Celtic
> > > Britain might be jarring to some; hopefully stiff upper lips
> > > can be kept.
> >
> > I don't think a-vocalism alone is enough to characterize
> > Alteuropäisch as Indo-Iranian. On might imagine early IE dialects
> > in Europe not having undergone ablauting (*a > e, o, zero), or
> > gone ablauting > de-ablauting like Indo-Iranian. Note that the
> > Vandals (with non-ablauted /a/) at the mouth of the Oder (cf.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vineta
> > ) are connected archaeologically with Vend-syssel (with
> > ablauted /e/)
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendsyssel
> > and that the Langobardi, when they lived west of the Elbe were
> > called Vinnili (with Germanic *-en- > *-in-, from ablauted /e/).
> > From that it seems ablauting was dialectal in
> > Alteuropäisch/Venetic.
>
> Who gave the Vandals their name?

I don't think there's any indication it's an exonym.

> They spoke an East Germanic language, so they were not
> LINGUISTICALLY Veneti,

Nope. The only reason their language, of which we know nothing, is
classed as East Germanic, is that they lived in the eastern part of
the later Germania. One thing we do know, however, is that their
archaeological culture, that of the Lugii, is different from the
Przeworsk one, but similar to that in Vendsyssel etc. I think that at
least as the two cultures can be discerned as separate, they were
Venetic-speaking.

> just as the Slavic Wends of Lusatia were not.

They were too. I think the Slav languages expanded westwards with the
Ariovistus campaign.

> The Germans evidently retained a folk-memory of *Weneto:s between
> the Oder and the Vistula, just as other *Weneto:s west of the Elbe
> were remembered as Vinnili, and in the place-names noted by Hans
> Kuhn.

Not just in Germany.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/49754
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/1061
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absalon


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