[tied] Re: Haplogroup I

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

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> --- On Sat, 8/2/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> Here is my version.
> I realized last night this is what might have happened.
> I felt sick.
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> When the Przeworsk
> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Przeworsk_ culture
> and Zarubintsy
> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Zarubintsy_ culture
> cultures made contact, they mixed, and a (more or less forced)
> division of labor arose: Slavic (from Zarubintzy) speaking farmers,
> Germanic (from Przeworsk) speaking predators/rulers.
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> ****GK: I'm out of town for a couple of weeks, and away from my

materials. But I can tell you right now that this version of yours
won't work on the aforestated basis. I won't get into the errors of
the wikipedia sources (except to mention one too funny to omit: the
chornolis'ka kultura (called "chernoles" in the Przeworsk wiki) ended
in the mid-7th century BCE, replaced by a variant of the Scythian
culture). The main problem you have here is that the only
archaeologically significant "mixing" of Zarubinian and Przeworsk
cultures ocurred not sooner than 50 CE (in the area of today's Western
Ukraine). It resulted in the creation of the hybrid "Zubrytska"
culture, in which Zarubinian elements were dominant. The "takeover" in
this area was (1) initially by the Dacian Costoboci (probable carriers
of the Lypytska culture) who seem to have been the most important
political group until the second half of the 2nd c. CE; (2)
subsequently by incoming Vandals.

> These were indeed Przeworskers, but their brief dominance over

Costobocans and mixed Zubrytskans only lasted for a few years; (3)
finally by the Goths, at which time all the prior elements were
assimilated into the Chernyakhiv culture.*****

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> people, refugees from the Mithridatic war north of the Black sea
> arrives, carrying I1a, once carried by only a small group of people.
> Somehow a few of them take over.
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> ****GK: How old would these "refugees from the Mithridatic war" have

been in the period posterior to 50 CE (:=)))?*****

What is the 50 CE date based on?


Torsten