----- Original Message ----
From: dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:52:51 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Portuguese GORDO < Latin gurdus < *gWer-?
*gWer- "heavy" (cf. guru, gravis, barys, brutus) but also to Greek
bradys (<*gWrdu ?)
but do we know enough to tell which one? If so, where does the ending
come from?
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Celtic should have produced *bardo- from PIE *gwr.(H)do-. Lusitanian
is probably correct, with g- initially from PIE *gw- (medially I
would expect -gg-, since we have the goddess Iccona from *ek^wo-)
and -ur- from PIE *r. (as opposed to Celtic -ar-). The ending -do-/-
da:- was inherited from PIE; see Latin <forda> 'pregnant', Greek
<kládos> 'slip, shoot, young branch'.
DGK
Lusitanian was spoken, among other places, in the upper Guadiana (Anas) valley around the important city of Emerita Augusta (Mérida), which may well have been important as an interface city on the linguistic frontier between Romans and Lusitanians. I think the other important Roman cities in Spain were all on or very near the coast and were either settled by the Phoenicians/Carthaginians or the Greeks. I don't know how important Caesar Augusta (Zaragoza) or Pompaelo (Pamplona) were in Roman times.
From: dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:52:51 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Portuguese GORDO < Latin gurdus < *gWer-?
--- In cybalist@... s.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@ ...>
wrote:
>origin, meaning "stupid, rude". Gurdus seems to be related to IE
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@.. .>
>
> Portuguese/Spanish Gordo "fat" came from Latin gurdus, of obscure
*gWer- "heavy" (cf. guru, gravis, barys, brutus) but also to Greek
bradys (<*gWrdu ?)
>from Celtic. I'd say, if not from Celtic, then possibly Lusitanian --
> Comments?
> JS Lopes
> That's what I've read too. I've seen a lot of speculation that it's
but do we know enough to tell which one? If so, where does the ending
come from?
-----
Celtic should have produced *bardo- from PIE *gwr.(H)do-. Lusitanian
is probably correct, with g- initially from PIE *gw- (medially I
would expect -gg-, since we have the goddess Iccona from *ek^wo-)
and -ur- from PIE *r. (as opposed to Celtic -ar-). The ending -do-/-
da:- was inherited from PIE; see Latin <forda> 'pregnant', Greek
<kládos> 'slip, shoot, young branch'.
DGK
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