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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> I've been wondering how to fit in the Venetic culture in present
> Poland and the Kuhn's 'western Wend-' names
> with the Adriatic Veneti and the Italic languages in general
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> Jastorf (and later Przeworsk) was a Germanic expansion.
> Hallstatt was a Celtic expansion.
> Was Urnfield a Venetic expansion?
> Are Krahe's Old European names Venetic?
Probably older than Urnfield. See P.R. Kitson, "British and European
River-Names", TrPhS 94(2):73-118 [1996], esp. 103-4:
"... Bell-beakers are in fact the _only_ archaeological phenomenon of
any period of prehistory with a comparably wide spread to that of
river-names in the western half of Europe. The presumption must I
think be that Beaker Folk were the vector of _alteuropaisch_ river-
names to most of western Europe. Rivers in the base _Arg-_, which we
have seen there is cause to think was not already in use at the
earliest stage of the river-naming system, and which therefore should
be associated with such a vector if one existed, fit their
distribution exceptionally well. ..."
> It would explain those 'wester Wend-' names.
See W. Hazlitt, _The Classical Gazetteer_ [1851], s.v. Veneti:
"... It is to be observed, that the various peoples in Paphlagonia,
Italy, Gaul, and Germany, who were anciently called Veneti or Heneti,
all occupied the same description of country -- marshy districts on
the coast. ..."
That is, the various peoples known as Veneti, or *Weneto:s 'Beloved
Ones' vel sim., occupied marginal areas in protohistorical times;
this is consistent with the relics of the Bell-Beaker expansion at
the end of the 3rd mill. BCE, mostly superseded and assimilated by
later expansions.
> How about Wend- names in Britain?
Does Hans Kuhn mention any? If there are none, the presumption is
that there were no enclaves of peoples still calling themselves
Veneti in Britain, all of them having been assimilated by Celts.
Douglas G. Kilday