Re: ...uveg <-> uiag&...

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "afyangh" <fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tolgs001" <george_st@> wrote:
> >
> > >I just about the vocal harmony in Hungarian. Can it be the "e"

is the

> > >one which triggered the change? *uweg > *euweg > üveg?
> >
> > In Hungarian, stressed syllables consisting of (<vowel>v) are

common

> > occurrences and very stable (öv, ivadék, üvölt, avatkozik, evett,

ivott,

> > óvoda, év &c.)
> >
> > As for the harmony, I'd say eveg, éveg, iveg, öveg, üveg would

fit.

> > To a lesser extent aveg (if haver and krapek fit, then aveg, too;
> > but I underline: from today's point of view); áveg even lesser or

no.

> > I'd tend to change e /ae/ > a /O/ in these cases: avag, ovag,

óvag,

> > uvag, úvag. (Cf. kavar, anyag, agyag, lovag, udvar.) Ö, ü could

also

> > give övög, üvög (but no: övüg, üvüg).
> >
> > George
> >
> ====
>
> üveg having a variant éveg is no big problem.
>
> ü is the fusion of u+j
> é is more the result of u umlauted by i
> like in kéz "skin" < *kuti
>
> *ujeg remains the most probable proto-form
>
> Arnaud
>

I will say a Proto-Form *'ujag- that has loaned in Hungarian as
*ujeg- [with a>e]

Marius