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george_st@...> wrote:
> >GK: Do any of them suggest that the Kabars
> might
> >also have been Jewish?
>
> Yes, of course. Some of them even mention tombs of
> that time
> with Jewish symbols. (I've once read of such
> necropoles un-
> earthed somewhere in today's Serbia, but I don't
> remember
> whether near Sirmium, Belgrade or Gradis^ka.)
>
> >One of the quarters of pre-Mongol era Kyiv was
> called the
> >"Kopyriv kinets" ("the quarter of the Kabars"). It
> was
> >basically the Jewish section of the city, though
> >Christians also lived there.
>
> Was it also called Z^ydovskaya or something?
****GK: The entrance to this Kabar/Kopyr quarter
(which had its own "internal" fortifications (like all
quarters) from the "city of Yaroslav" was called the
"Jewish doors" (Zhydivs'ki vorota). The entrance from
the outside (which was Old Kyiv's main western
entrance) was also called "Zhydivs'ki Vorota"****
>
> BTW, is there any legend or story by chroniclers
> that
> Kyiv was founded by some Khazar brethren or by some
> Khazar "V.I.P." (whose name I can't remember now due
> to
> a lapsus)?
****GK: I don't know of any legend as such (other than
subsequent historical theories). There is, of course,
the Kyiv Foundation Legend, which speaks of three
brothers (and a sister) as original founders. I
actually wrote a little book on this (in Ukr. back in
1991 "Tajemnytsja pervisnoji Rusy v Kyjevi" ("The
mystery of Kyiv's original Rus'"). My view is that the
legend is of Late Hunnic provenance (there is also an
Armenian version from the 7th c.) and reflects
political realities from ca. 455-520 CE, not in Kyiv
but on the lower Dnipro and around central Crimea. It
was "transplanted" to Kyiv along with this Hunnic
aristocracy (actually an Iranic clan) which became
slavicized as the "Polani" (the Armenian version knows
them as "Paluni"). The "sister Lybid" ("sister
swan")was added in the early 12th c., by reference to
the well known Hermanaric and Sunilda "Rosomoni"
story. Archaeologically, Kyiv was founded near the end
of the 7th and the beginning of the 8th c. It was
controlled by the Khazars for about one hundred years,
then taken over by Varangian warlords in co-operation
with local Slavs.****
>
> George
>
>
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