From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 57984
Date: 2008-04-25
>Hungarian
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tolgs001" <george_st@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > you don't see any because you compare with the actual
> > formis
> > > > üveg. Look, I already said that if the form has been *uwega,
> then
> > the
> > > > the stress shuold have been on "e" and the Romanian speakers
> > perceived
> > > > the "uw" as long "u" which was reduced _naturaly_ in their
> > language
> > > to a
> > > > neutral "u". That is, the "a" at the end of uiagã can be the
> > Romanian
> > > > adaptation after sticlã, butelcã, ploscã what ever, thus you
> got
> > a 3
> > > > syllabic word which was rendered as *u-é-ga; the stressed "e"
> > yotacised
> > > > to "ie" and the "ie" became "ia". I don't know the word, it
> ain
> > > > regionalism but I should say that the plural form of "uiagã"
> > is "uiege"
> > > > as each other ord with "ia" ( iapa-iepe, iarna-ierni, mia-
> miele,
> > etc.)
> > > > It will be strange for me to be a plural *uiage there....
> > >
> > > (Uiegi & iegi /d3/.) But otherwise bravo! Jos palaria.
> > >
> > > George
> >
> >
> > George, Alex,
> >
> > 1. The stress e > ye is ENDED END OF ROMAN PERIOD
> >
> > 2. The stressed e>ea and o>oa (followed by a,e,&) is ENDED after
> the
> > first wave of Slavic Loans (see Rosetti, IRL too on this topic)
> >
> > 3. see P'ES,TERA (<Sl.) versus
> > SOARE, SEAR~A, CEAP~A, CEARC~AN etc...
> >
> >
> > 4. P'ES,TERA : http://dexonline.ro/search.php?lexemId=42595
> >
> > 5. So There is no e>ye or e>ea ; o>oa in the Hungarian Loans
> > Romanian.I. Rosetti ILR : Elemente Maghiare in Limba Romana
> >
> > Marius
> >
>
> 6. And yes, Alex, you are right:
> is uiaga~uiegi like iapa-iepe, iarna-ierni, mia-miele,
>
> ==> this should indicate you that this word is 'at least as old
> as' iapa-iepe, iarna-ierni, mia-miele
>
> See /peshter&/-/peshteri/ on the other hand...
>
> Marius