Re: Magyar uveg <-> Romanian uiag&

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tolgs001" <george_st@> wrote:
> >
> > > you don't see any because you compare with the actual Hungarian
> form
> > > üveg. Look, I already said that if the form has been *uwega,

then

> the
> > > the stress shuold have been on "e" and the Romanian speakers
> perceived
> > > the "uw" as long "u" which was reduced _naturaly_ in their
> language
> > to a
> > > neutral "u". That is, the "a" at the end of uiagã can be the
> Romanian
> > > adaptation after sticlã, butelcã, ploscã what ever, thus you

got

> a 3
> > > syllabic word which was rendered as *u-é-ga; the stressed "e"
> yotacised
> > > to "ie" and the "ie" became "ia". I don't know the word, it is

a

> > > regionalism but I should say that the plural form of "uiagã"
> is "uiege"
> > > as each other ord with "ia" ( iapa-iepe, iarna-ierni, mia-

miele,

> etc.)
> > > It will be strange for me to be a plural *uiage there....
> >
> > (Uiegi & iegi /d3/.) But otherwise bravo! Jos palaria.
> >
> > George
>
>
> George, Alex,
>
> 1. The stress e > ye is ENDED END OF ROMAN PERIOD
>
> 2. The stressed e>ea and o>oa (followed by a,e,&) is ENDED after

the

> first wave of Slavic Loans (see Rosetti, IRL too on this topic)
>
> 3. see P'ES,TERA (<Sl.) versus
> SOARE, SEAR~A, CEAP~A, CEARC~AN etc...
>
>
> 4. P'ES,TERA : http://dexonline.ro/search.php?lexemId=42595
>
> 5. So There is no e>ye or e>ea ; o>oa in the Hungarian Loans in
> Romanian.
>
> Marius
>

6. And yes, Alex, you are right:
is uiaga~uiegi like iapa-iepe, iarna-ierni, mia-miele,

==> this should indicate you that this word is 'at least as old
as' iapa-iepe, iarna-ierni, mia-miele

See /peshter&/-/peshteri/ on the other hand...

Marius