Re: Hachmann versus Kossack?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

> I will summarize my point of view about Germanic
> Western PIE means Italic + Celtic.
>
> 1. Declension
> Genitive -i: : Latin vir-i = Irish *wir-i:

a) Generally acknowledged as a Celto-Italic innovation.

> Ablative plural : -is, -ibus
> Nothing like that exists in Germanic.

b) Latin dative/ablative -i:s of Latin o- and a- stems matches the
dative plural of Greek and the locative plural of Sanskrit, and the
instrumental plural of Sanskrit o-stems. Also mathches the
Balto-Slavonic instrumental plural. In short, I don't think its
absence in Germanic tells us anything.

c) The Old Irish -aib, Latin dative and ablative plural -ibus would
appear to correspond to Sanskrit dative and ablative plural -bhyas or
instrumental plural -bhis. Balto-Slavonic has -m- instead of -bH- in
the oblique non-singular. Germanic is like Balto-Slavonic in that the
dative plural in having -m-, not a reflex of -bH-. Runic o-stems have
dative plural in <-umz>, which is rather like -ibus.

> 4. Kartvelian LWs
> *sajwa "sea" < zGva
> *sa:l "room" < saxli "house"

That's Germanic *salaz, *saliz - the vowel is short, as in OE _sæl_.

> Igel "hedgehog" < zGar(bi)
> Ziege "goat" < dzixgi

I trust you're not suggesting the affricate has been preserved! What
are the Germanic cognates?

> Cf. Indic substrate cha:ga "goat"
>
> Kartvelian LWs exists in Greek, Armenian, Germanic, Balto-Slavic,
> Indo-iranian.
> So far, I know of no Kartvelian LWs in Western PIE or Tocharian.
> Germanic sides East.

> 6. Tibetan LWs
> pig = Tib phag

That is reaching down. _Pig_ is an English word, and is very
sketchily attested in Old English. I don't think there is any way to
derive it regularly from Proto-Germanic.

> rib = rtsib

Pokorny *rebh, #1583, p853 - Greek, Germanic and Russian Church
Slavonic. (Yes, the latter does smack of reaching down.)

> ride = Cf. rta "horse"

But cf. Old Irish _riadaim_ 'I travel', _riad_ 'journey', Gaulish
_re:da_ 'chariot'.

> 7. Early PU LWs
> hand < *komt-i
> hunt < *kunda
>
> Unclear
> s-kip = Vogul xaap, kaap

Distinctly! The English word is isolated in Germanic, unless you can
link it to Middle Swedish _skuppa_, _skoppa_ 'skip'.

> 9. The richness of the vocabulary related to horses in Germanic is an
> indication that proto-Germanic-speakers took an active part in the

horse

> domestication.
> Cf. mar-ko < LW of Asiatic *mor-(?)-

But cf. Celtic *markos 'horse' (Old Irish _marc_, Welsh _march_,
apparently also in Gaulish). Pokorny erects PIE *marko-.

> Cf. colt a non IE word existing in Sanscrit and Germanic.
> Germanic sides far-east.

OE _colt_ is applied to the young of the donkey and of the camel, not
of the horse. Swedish _kult_, _kulter_ and _kulting_ is applied to
half-grown anaimals and boys. This does not suggest that it is
specificallyhorse-related. What is the corresponding Sanskrit word?

Richard.