From: Rick McCallister
Message: 57070
Date: 2008-04-09
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"Fanagaló, Totsi. etc. are partially Afrikaans based,
> <BMScott@...> wrote:
> >
> > At 2:17:25 PM on Tuesday, April 8, 2008,
> tgpedersen wrote:
> >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M.
> Scott"
> > > <BMScott@> wrote:
> >
> > >> At 6:16:46 PM on Monday, April 7, 2008,
> tgpedersen wrote:
> >
> > >> [...]
> >
> > >>> Afrikaans is the mother tongue of a large
> black and
> > >>> colored population.
> >
> > >> Obviously.
> >
> > > Oh, so now it's obvious.
> >
> > What do you mean 'now'? Of course it's obvious,
> if one
> > knows anything about South Africa.
>
> As you do now, after having read the article on
> Afrikaans in Wikipedia.
>
>
> > >>> In that population it started as a pidgin.
> >
> > >> Evidence?
> >
> > > It started in that population as any other
> African
> > > European-language based pidgin. There is a lot
> of
> > > literature on the subject. I can't give you any
> specific
> > > reference, I forgot myself where I read it years
> back.
> >
> > I'm afraid that I'm not willing to accept your
> > interpretation of a years-old memory strictly at
> face value:
>
> Don't then, go read up on the subject, before you
> make the next
> authoritative statement on something you're ignorant
> about.
>
>
> > given your tendency to see creoles under every
> bed, there's
> > too much room for selective memory or inadvertent
> source
> > bias.
>
> Being caught out passing off ignorance as knowledge
> really eats you, huh?
>
>
> > And while I've no doubt that there were
> Dutch-based pidgins
> > -- there have, after all, been Afrikaans-based
> pidgins --
>
> I never heard that before - please enlighten us.
>
>____________________________________________________________________________________
> > it's by no means clear to me that modern Afrikaans
> is
> > descended from any of them (rather than influenced
> by them
> > and the other languages involved).
>
> OK.
>
>
> Torsten
>
>
>
>