Re: Re[2]: [tied] Re: Volcae and Volsci

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [tied] Re: Volcae and Volsci


>
> --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re[2]: [tied] Re: Volcae and Volsci
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > At 2:29:36 PM on Monday, April 7, 2008, Rick
> > > > McCallister
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > > So there is creolization at work.
> > > >
> > > > There are evident contact effects.
> > Creolization,
> > > > however,
> > > > is the process that turns a pidgin into a
> > creole,
> > > > and
> > > > Afrikaans has no pidgin in its history back to
> > PIE.
> > > >
> > > > > The question is whether there's enough for you
> > to
> > > > convince
> > > > > Brian.
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > I think the question here is the definition of
> > creole
> > > or how much contact it takes to create a creole
> > > language or if another term, e.g. Mischsprache may
> > be
> > > more accurate. A creole is a language with more
> > than
> > > one parent. If Afrikaans is to be considered a
> > creole,
> > > we need to know who the other parents are besides
> > > Dutch. I definitely see French influences but I
> > don't
> > > know how Khoi-San influenced it.
> >
> > ***
> >
> > Tsk! Tsk!
> >
> > You really do not know?
> >
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> No, sorry, Afrikaans does not have clicks. . So can
> you tell us what grammatical features of Afrikaans
> come from Khoi-San besides lexicon?

***

Tsk! is the common notation in English for an alveolar click.

Afrikaaners make them, too.

It was a joke!


Patrick