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wrote:
>
> > > It never stopped to be spoken by a majority of people
> > > whose mother tongue was a set of dialectal varieties of
> > > Dutch.
> >
> > Exactly. Since it was extraterritorial, it was subject to
> > contact influences different from those of the (European)
> > Dutch dialects, but 'creolized Dutch' is a gross
> > exaggeration.
>
> Tell it to Wikipedia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Dutch-based_pidgins_and_creoles
>
> I think linguistics needs a category of 'partially preserved,
> partially creolized languages' and after I place Afrikaans there,
> I'd place all the central Germanic languages.
> Torsten
> =========
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaans
>
> They don't even mention the word "creole".
>
> Afrikaans is basically an evolved geo-socio-lect of Dutch
> in the African context of mixed populations of natives and
> immigrants.
>
> Arnaud
> ===============
What is a geo-socio-lect? Does this originating Dutch geo-socio-lect
correspond to any known Dutcch dia- or sociolect, and if yes, which
one? In which sense has it 'evolved'? Do you know of any circumstances
under which this vapid truism could be untrue?
Quote from the above article:
'There are many different theories about how Afrikaans came to be. The
Afrikaans School has long seen Afrikaans as a natural development from
the South-Hollandic Dutch dialect,
[TP: That's Brian's viewpoint]
but has also only considered the Afrikaans as spoken by the Whites.
Others believe that Afrikaans was originally spoken by the Khoisan
people after using words they heard from the Dutch.[citation needed]
Though this "theory" would imply the improbability of a language
systematically developing out of a grammatology.
[TP: I wonder what that means?]
Furthermore, this theory would fail to explain the systematic process
of simplification from dialectical 17th century Dutch to Afrikaans,
its geographically widespread and cohesive nature and also the
persistent structural similarities between Afrikaans and other
regional Franconic dialects including Flemish and Frisian.'
Please go ahead and explain, Brian.
Torsten