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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
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> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> > There is a very good reason why you don't find any
> > Cherusci, Marsi, Chatti, Bructeri, Chauci and Sicambri there after
> > Germanicus went looking for them.
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> ****GK: What are you talking about? Where is "there"
> and when is "there"? Tacitus' Annales and Germania
> seem to tell an adequate story.****
The Cherusci, Marsi, Chatti, Bructeri, Chauci and Sicambri
participated in the Clades Variana. Germanicus went on a punitive
expedition in Germania after that. Any member of those tribes he met
on his way would have been in trouble. It's safe to assume they
changed location at that time, even though they won the war,
eventually (but it must have depleted them too, and Elbe Germani
reinforcements were most likely welcome). At least that's what the
Annals tell us.
This is a comment to Kossack's version that Elbe Germani didn't really
settle beyond the Weser until after the Romans withdrew a few years
later. That doesn't mean Hachmann might not be right that they began
infiltrate that area already a half century before. The loss of trade
caused by the new border would have weakened the communities in those
areas; so would constant border conflicts (which the immigrating EG
and Przeworsk people wisely stayed out of).
Torsten