From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 56264
Date: 2008-03-30
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From: Anders R. Joergensen
>
> The Examples
> to be discussed are for example :
>
> pott- "pottery" < *kwoH2-t-eH2
> k_w_H2 as in Greek kaFiô "to burn"
Again, some actual examples from Celtic languages of this word would
strengthen your case considerably. As it stands now, it just seems to
be a word in Western Romance(?) and Germanic without an etymology.
That doesn't seem like reason enough to call it Celtic.
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I disagree that it does not have an etymology.
KwoH2t-a > pott- in Celtic
KwH2-t > Cat-i:na in LAtin
same word.
Arnaud
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>
> bukk- "male"
> Tsigane, avestique buz < *bu-g-
But we can't rule out a loan from Germanic for this word, can we?
What would it be in Germanic ?
Arnaud
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>
> kass- "hate"
> ka:dos
> Av sadra
I'm not sure I get it anymore. What does your geminate *-tt- (< h2t)
become in the attested Celtic languages?
I meant
keH2- s- > kass in Celtic (gemination applies to s too)
keH2- t- > kad in Eastern PIE
Arnaud
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>
> lakk- "slack"
> Greek lag-aros
Again, this is OIr. <lac> /lag/, ModIr. lag /lag/. So it doesn't seem
to be an example of your law. It must be PCelt. *laggo-
Ok
how do we tell -kk- and -gg- in Celtic ?
Arnaud
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>
> lu?k "hiccup"
> Gaelic aileag
> Greek lug-mos
Some additional details would be helpful in figuring out what you
mean. Is your Gaelic _aileag_ taken from MacBain's etymological
dictionary? Unfortunately, I don't have LEIA and DIL here with me, so
I can't check earlier attestations and the possible etymology.
Anyway, the word has final /-g/, so I'm not sure I see the relevance.
Same as above -kk- ~ -gg- ?
Arnaud
>
> makk "eat"
> smag "taste"
What Celtic words are you thinking of?
French mâcher < *makk-
Arnaud
>
> mrekk- "speckled"
> Lituanian margas
What about this example ?
Arnaud
>
> Possible
>
> V.ir ad-glad-ur < -tt- ?
> hra:date
> kekhla:da
This has consistent single <d> in OIr., i.e. /D/ (lenited d), the
reflex of PCelt. single *d.
Anders
I agree this example is not very good.
I mentioned "possible".
Arnaud