Re: Volcae and Volsci

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 56149
Date: 2008-03-28

----- Original Message -----
From: Anders R. Joergensen
>
> Because Celtic created geminates
> out of the inherited sequence Glottal stop + Unvoiced
> Arnaud

and

>
> > Celtic and Osco-umbrian are full of geminates
> > resulting from phonotactical -?-C > -CC-
> > and most H2-C > CC as well.
>

Would you care to provide some examples of this? Or have they already
been posted and I missed it?

Anders

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Originally, I was trying to know if and which
languages had pre-glottalized in PIE.

Ultimately, I found this :
- Celtic + Osco-umbrian display
H2-C (unvoiced) > -CC- unvoiced
- others
H2-C (unvoiced) > -C- voiced

Latin is somehow ambiguous
but Celtic is not.

Examples :

pott- "pottery" < *kwoH2-t-eH2
k_w_H2 as in Greek kaFiƓ "to burn"

bukk- "male"
Tsigane, avestique buz < *bu-g-

The point is Eastern PIE is voiced
when Celtic is geminate.
This is a LAW not expressive gemination.

lakk- "slack"
Greek lag-aros
One of the clearest examples.
Cf. peH2-g/k- about the same.

Latin frico "rub"
Lituanian brezhiu

Breton stuc'h "arrowhead" < stukk-
German stechen < *st_g < *st_?k-
skrt tud-ati "to sting" < *tu?-t-
This example is more complex
but the voiced -d- has -kk- in Celtic.

Arnaud

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