RE : [tied] Re: Volcae and Volsci

>
> tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> a écrit :
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@> wrote:
> >
> > Here's a little passage from Hubert's "Rise":
> >
> > "With regard to the Volc©¡, one of the oldest groups
> > and one of the first to leave their old homes, bodies
> > of whom went to the ends of the Celtic world and were
> > in the position of an advanced guard in Gaul, a recent
> > conjecture corroborates our hypothesis regarding their
> > original habitat. That very ingenious philologist, M.
> > Cuny, has compared the name of the Volc©¡ to that of
> > the Volsci of Latium, and suggests that the two
> > peoples had the same name, having the termination -co
> > in one case and -sco in the other. Both terminations
> > were used alternatively in what was apparently the old
> > name of the Oscans, Opisci, or, as the Greeks said,
> > ¥Ï¥ð¥é¥ê¥ïὴ. If M. Cuny is right we have to do
> > with a name which was common to the vocabularies of
> > the Italic and Celtic groups. Since racial names do
> > not seem to turn up in two neighbouring racial spheres
> > by mere chance, the Volc©¡ or Volsci may be a people
> > divided between the two groups, belonging to one and
> > having sent out emigrants to the other. Their presence
> > in Bavaria and their obstinacy in remaining there are
> > most significant facts. The Volc©¡ did not go to
> > Bavaria; they were there, and quite close to the
> > probable point of contact between the Italici and the
> > Celts."
> >
> Piotr has commented on the connection between Italic and Southern
> Poland:
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/4352
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/4443
> etc
>
> Btw, this argument connects a Germanic word with the Corded Ware
> culture.
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/187
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corded_Ware_culture
> What are your comments?
>
> Torsten

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, patrick cuadrado <dicoceltique@...>

> wrote:
>
> Hai
> what do you think of
>
> UOLCAE = the numerous
> IE Wel-
> Middel Breton Gwalc'h
> Welsh Gwala = quantity / amount
> Grec Eilen = Crowd
> Latin Vulgus

It's possible. Cuny analyses *Wol-k- versus *Wol-sk-, so if we follow
him, we'd have to make sense of *wol-. -k- and -sk- are both denominal
adjectivizing suffixes, the former in NWBlock, Celtic(?), Italic and
Germanic, the latter in Germanic and Balto-Slavic. How we'd fit that
in, I don't know.


Torsten