Re: Volcae and Volsci

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tgpedersen
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> Then I might have something tentative here wrt your request that I
> "factor up" PGermanic according to the various ethnic/cultural
> groups which were components in its genesis in Przeworsk (as I see
> it): The language of geminates, with cognates spread over Celtic,
> Germanic, Balto-Slavic, Baltic Finnic and partially Italic
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> This language of geminates does not exist.

Because?

> Your repeated statements that it's not even PIE are unsupported.

Because?

> It's just Celtic (or less probably osco-umbrian of course)

Because?

> *dub-
> I consider that dhu?-p is better

Because?

> and the existence of dhumb and stu?p
> are an obvious proof that this is PIE.

Because?

> *dhu?p a Germanic root of PIE origin.

Because?

> This root follows the standard PIE affixation.
> Infix -n- and prefix -s-

-pp-/-mp-/-p-/-kk-/-nk-/-k- alternation is not Standard PIE.

>
> *kat-
> Germanic *hanti is a LW from Uralic *kom-t-(i)

It might be.

> There is no geminate at all here.

No geminate where?

> Arnaud
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> I suspect is the language of the Corded Ware culture. I can't see
> which other culture would span the area of those substrate loans. Of
> course the *kat- etc root, which its cognates outside of that area
> is likely to be a loan, some kind of sea-born connection to some
> Semitic language?
> ============
> This is multi-layered fancy.

Because?

> Nothing supports this castle of cards.

Because?

> Arnaud
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> As you can see, I suspect the Chatti, because of the name
> to have some connection to that substrate language; note the -tt- in
> the name, impossible for Celtic, Germanic and Italic, in which PIE
> *-tt- > -ss- (and in the other IE families > *-st-).
> Torsten
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> Celtic and Osco-umbrian are full of geminates
> resulting from phonotactical -?-C > -CC-
> and most H2-C > CC as well.

And?

> Why is the word Chatti- impossible in Celtic ?

Chatti = Hesse, so we have an alternation here -tt-/-ss-. That's not
Celtic.

> This is again unsupported.

Because?

> Its having -tt- is on the contrary a direct proof
> it can only be Celtic
> (or Osco-Umbrian less probably)

No. See above.


Torsten