Re: Finnish KASKI

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud"
<fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick McCallister
>
> This definitely looks related to hut, house, cott
>
> =========
> Yes Rick
> Isn't it striking ?
>
> But
> the issue is more that Jouppe should explain how
> kud, kwa, kë, kwala
> derive from *kud reconstructoid.
>
> Arnaud
> =============

*kota + apocope, spirantisation of plosive, spirant d becoming l (or
v>w in labial environment), all very common stuff, moving towards
shorter forms and more sonority, as usually in languages, also in
particular in French language history.

The opposite: spirant d > t and monosyllabics CVC becoming disyllabic
CVCV are on the contrary abnormal.

I made the second point a couple of times already (see below). The
first should be obvious on this forum. I will not go into
trivialities once more.

Jouppe

>
> --- jouppe <jouppe@...> wrote:
>
> . . .
> > Here is the complete data for your "monosyllabic"
> > PFU
> > stem 'house'(with some simplification of vowel
> > translitteration):
> >
> > Finnish: kota (koti)
> > Saami: goatte
> > Ersä: kudo
> > Moksha: kud
> > Mari (mountain): kud@
> > Mari (plain): kudo
> > Permic (Udmurt): kwala, kowa, kwa, -ka
> > Permic (Komi): kola, kë, këv, -kë, -ko, -ka, -ku
> > Ostyak: kat, xot, xat
> > Hungarian: ház
> >
> > The material speks for itself.
> >
> > Jouppe
> > - - - - - - - - -
> >
> > >
> > > 2) How do you argue such a development by analogy
> > against language
> > > universal developments? (Here you should be at
> > ease, you have 6000+
> > > languages to chose from, and I only know a dozen
> > of them).
> > >
> > > Jouppe
> > >
> > > ===========
> > >
> > > What do you mean ?
> > >
> > > This is completely irrelevant
> > > for the current issue about PU ?
> > >
> > > Arnaud
> > >
> > > =============
> > >
> >
> > Omission is a more likely development in the view of
> > language
> > universals that additions. The former may be due to
> > simple and common
> > sound laws called apocope. Additions normally needs
> > some morphologic
> > element to add (cf. IE root-extensions). The
> > supposition that Finnic
> > would just add on a meaningless /-i/ for the fun of
> > it, is not in
> > line with good reconstruction principles. I also
> > refer to the data
> > above. Finnic is not alone.
> >
> > There was also no tendency towards disyllabic stems
> > otherwise in
> > Finnic since many stems contracted to monosyllabic
> > ones at the same
> > time. What would have propelled the addition of
> > /-i/?
> >
> > Jouppe
> >
> >
>
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