From: Rick McCallister
Message: 55671
Date: 2008-03-22
> The initial /a-/ of the Spanish form is definitely____________________________________________________________________________________
> irregular but there may have been dissimulation,
> which
> is common in Spanish, or the word may have passed
> through Mozarabic and the /*u-/ reanalized as Arabic
> al, with the -l subsequently lost. It could have
> been
> from a variant Vulgar Latin or Greek form (there
> were
> many Italian Greeks who settled in Spain). So, many
> things could have happened.
> The Berber word could be from North African Romance,
> or maybe not. It could be a mangled word that was
> originally onomatopoeic. BTW: do you know the Arabic
> form?
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> --- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
> wrote:
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rick McCallister
> > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:59 AM
> > Subject: [tied] hoopoe
> >
> >
> > DRAE has abubilla. (Del lat. *upupella, dim. de
> > upŭpa).
> > Given the English name, I'm guessing this bird has
> > call that sounds like it name. Is that true? If
> not,
> > then start wondering where it comes from.
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> > Is it regular that
> > ab- could derive from u:p- in Spanish ?
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> > As for the name,
> > hoopoe is obviously onomatopeic
> > but I've come to think not all names
> > for the hoopoe are onomatopea
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> > In the first place
> > Kabyle has itchibib which is not
> > The bird does "hoopoo" not itchibib
> > so this word must have
> > a standard explanation.
> > I come to believe the crest is
> > the reason for the name
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> > Out of *dza?p- "crest, mane, tuf of hair"
> > you can derive PIE *H2eH2p
> > Latin form HoHp > u:pupa.
> > I think Spanish looks better
> > if we start with *H2aHp- ?
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> > Hesychius ap- < H2 is regular
> > Greek epo:ps is more tricky
> > z and dz sometimes behave like H1
> > in Greek *dza?p > H1a?p
> > the conflict H1 H2 is solved
> > by erasure of second H
> > (this is a LAW in Greek)
> > hence H1ap > ep-
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> > Turkçe ibib is also regular
> > z and dz > zero in Turcic.
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