Re: hoopoe

The initial /a-/ of the Spanish form is definitely
irregular but there may have been dissimulation, which
is common in Spanish, or the word may have passed
through Mozarabic and the /*u-/ reanalized as Arabic
al, with the -l subsequently lost. It could have been
from a variant Vulgar Latin or Greek form (there were
many Italian Greeks who settled in Spain). So, many
things could have happened.
The Berber word could be from North African Romance,
or maybe not. It could be a mangled word that was
originally onomatopoeic. BTW: do you know the Arabic
form?


--- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick McCallister
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:59 AM
> Subject: [tied] hoopoe
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> DRAE has abubilla. (Del lat. *upupella, dim. de
> upŭpa).
> Given the English name, I'm guessing this bird has
> call that sounds like it name. Is that true? If not,
> then start wondering where it comes from.
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> Is it regular that
> ab- could derive from u:p- in Spanish ?
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> As for the name,
> hoopoe is obviously onomatopeic
> but I've come to think not all names
> for the hoopoe are onomatopea
>
> In the first place
> Kabyle has itchibib which is not
> The bird does "hoopoo" not itchibib
> so this word must have
> a standard explanation.
> I come to believe the crest is
> the reason for the name
>
> Out of *dza?p- "crest, mane, tuf of hair"
> you can derive PIE *H2eH2p
> Latin form HoHp > u:pupa.
> I think Spanish looks better
> if we start with *H2aHp- ?
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> Hesychius ap- < H2 is regular
> Greek epo:ps is more tricky
> z and dz sometimes behave like H1
> in Greek *dza?p > H1a?p
> the conflict H1 H2 is solved
> by erasure of second H
> (this is a LAW in Greek)
> hence H1ap > ep-
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> Turkçe ibib is also regular
> z and dz > zero in Turcic.
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> Arnaud
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