From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 55450
Date: 2008-03-18
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From: fournet.arnaud
As to outside connections, it's interesting to compare
Aharon Dolgopolsky's root #104:
*l[ä|e]p.A "spleen"
(1) Ham.-Sem.: E.Cush.: Afar alefú: [pl. aléf-it] "spleen"
|| W.Chadic: Sura `l.lap, Kofyar láp, Montol, Angas lap
"spleen".
(2) Uralic *läppV (or *leppV) > Finn.-Ugr.: Cheremis lep& ~
lep, PPerm. *lOp > Votyak lup, SW Votyak lup, Zyryene lop /
lopt-, Upper Sïsola Zyryene lOp, Yazvian lop | Lapp. **ðapðe
(by assimilation from *lap-ðe with a suffix -ðe) > Norw.
Lapp daw'de ~ dað've, S.Lapp daabrie, Ume Lapp hàb'dee, Lule
Lapp tab'te:, Skolt Lapp täb.dd, Kildin Lapp ta:mmIp
(ta:m:(b)p(A_)) | Teryugan Ostyak LApatne | Hung. lép ||
Samoyedic: Forest Nenets Laps'a ~ rab-s'& "id."
(3) Altaic: Tungusic: Orok lipc^e "spleen".
Miguel
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The look-alike of HS ?alap
with Uralic is just coincidental.
If we add the data in Starostin,
for "spleen",
Starostin gives *two* roots
but we can see that only one is needed,
I reconstruct
for Uralic *t?ox-po
with suffixed variant *toxpoc^a
for "Altaic" *t?ox-(loq)
There are mutual borrowings
from and into Turcic and Mongolian
that erroneously leads to two roots.
Japanese is most probably not in the right place.
Germanic *lip is what we should
expect from Vogul/Mans (unattested)
although Hungarian lép is close.
Orok strangely seems to have a Uralic LW.
Out of *lipoc^a => GC *libasa > libarô
The ending -a caused the noun to be taken
as feminine by Germanic.
This is one of the most precise LWs
we got for the whereabouts of Germanic,
Somewhere around Mid river ob
and Mid river Yenissei.
Miguel
Your connection of
*yekwr. with LW > Germanic *libarô
is dead.
Arnaud
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