From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 55449
Date: 2008-03-18
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From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
To recapitulate what I've said about */e:/:
There are at least three sources for PIE *e:
(1) Szemerényi lengthening of *-éCF (where F = /s/ or /h2/)
> *-é:C(F), in the nominative singular (*-s), the NA plural
n. (*-h2) and the s-aorist (*-s-).
Miguel
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Why should this Sz. lengthening not apply
to *yekwr. and *gwher ?
It's so obvious.
Arnaud
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(2) vr.ddhi in thematic derivatives, e.g. *me:ms-ó-
Miguel
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The Arabic word laHma "piece of meat"
< *naHma
has a laryngeal that can explain why
*me:m-so is long.
No need of any vr.ddhi
*naHm > me:m-s-o
Simple and clean.
Note that short PAA *a = PIE *e
As is logical and obvious.
As I stated from the start.
Your theory is just so incredibly
absurd, useless and indequate.
Arnaud
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(3) "intrinsic" *e: (< **i:) in a number of roots (ablaut
*e: ~ 0), such as *yé:kWr.(t) ~ *ikWnós "liver", *dhé:g^hm.
~ *dhg^hmós "earth", *k^é:rd ~ *k^r.dés "heart", *ste:u- ~
*stu- "to praise" etc.
Miguel
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*yekwr. ok
Obvious cognates with *e
LAtin iecur = Skrt yakr.
***ikWnos does not exist.
Germanic *libarô is a loanword
from Uralic Mansi.
What a shame for a competent linguist
to create a theory of pre-PIE on the basis
of loan-words !!
***dhe:ghom does not exist
Anatolian is ambiguous and does not
permit to contrast any e from e:
As you have repeatedly explained
but failed to understand what it entails
for your theory.
*kerd-
Armenian sir is quite logically a loanword
from Luwi kir, plus satem k > s.
*steu
Hittite isduwai has no e(:) at all (!)
Greek steumai has short e (!)
skrt root is stu
Pok 1035 steu
There is no e: here.
Who believes there is a long e: in this root ?
Note that Anatolic -d- often
reflects t?
Starostin has c.aw in Kartvelian
which has a clear look-alike with
PIE *s-t?ew > Hittite isduw-
PIE > Kartvelian loanword ?
I consider your theory about
pre-PIE having long *e: and
other vocalic fancies
is *REFUTED*
I thought for some time
I should have to make a complete
overhaul of my own system.
I'm now sure it's not necessary.
Best regards,
Arnaud
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