Re: Re[2]: [tied] Re: Torsten's theory reviewed

Thank you Brian.
--- "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:

> At 3:47:23 PM on Friday, March 14, 2008, george
> knysh wrote:
>
> > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >>> Then they stopped, and the Przeworsk elements
> >>> assimilated into Elbe Germanic(along with the
> >>> Lippe/Leine groups among which they had
> settled)by the
> >>> end of the 1rst c.BCE in Hesse,and a little
> later (not
> >>> much) in Thuringia.
>
> > === message truncated ===
>
> > The rest of your post was cut.
>
> There wasn't much more. Here it is, with a little
> overlap:
>
> > Then they stopped, and the Przeworsk elements
> assimilated
> > into Elbe Germanic(along with the Lippe/Leine
> groups among
> > which they had settled)by the end of the 1rst
> c.BCE in
> > Hesse,and a little later (not much) in
> Thuringia.
>
> Oops. Where did that come from? The Thuringians
> had their
> own kingdom till it was destroyed several hundred
> years
> later by the Franks?

****GK: Well if the Thuringians were culturally
"ElbGermanic" at one point, where's the problem?****

>
> >> The only solution I can see that would match
> the above
> >> facts is the one I proposed all along, namely
> that the
> >> Jastorf culture was infiltrated with the
> Przeworsk
> >> remnants of Ariovistus' expedition, and only
> then turned
> >> aggressively against the Romans.
>
> > GK: This solution is precisely the one which
> does
> > not match the facts. Unless you mean that it is
> > Ariovistus' activism which prompted the Jastorf
> groups
> > to militarize, some of them accompanying him to
> Gaul.
> > There is no evidence of Przeworsk "cultural"
> > infiltration of Jastorf, only of the Lippe/Leine
> > populations.
>
> But what happened to his 24.000 Harudes?

****GK: Something no doubt. Where does it say they
were Przeworsk?****

>
> > According to Hachmann at any rate.
>
> And most other archaeological timelines I could
> find. But
> something's got to give. Otherwise it's Caesar's
> statements
> we can't trust.

****GK: You mean about Ariovistus being in Gaul?
(:=)))****

>
> Torsten
>
> Brian
>
>
>

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