Re[2]: [tied] Re: Torsten's theory reviewed

At 3:47:23 PM on Friday, March 14, 2008, george knysh wrote:

> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

[...]

>>> Then they stopped, and the Przeworsk elements
>>> assimilated into Elbe Germanic(along with the
>>> Lippe/Leine groups among which they had settled)by the
>>> end of the 1rst c.BCE in Hesse,and a little later (not
>>> much) in Thuringia.

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> The rest of your post was cut.

There wasn't much more. Here it is, with a little overlap:

> Then they stopped, and the Przeworsk elements assimilated
> into Elbe Germanic(along with the Lippe/Leine groups among
> which they had settled)by the end of the 1rst c.BCE in
> Hesse,and a little later (not much) in Thuringia.****

Oops. Where did that come from? The Thuringians had their
own kingdom till it was destroyed several hundred years
later by the Franks?

>> The only solution I can see that would match the above
>> facts is the one I proposed all along, namely that the
>> Jastorf culture was infiltrated with the Przeworsk
>> remnants of Ariovistus' expedition, and only then turned
>> aggressively against the Romans.

> ****GK: This solution is precisely the one which does
> not match the facts. Unless you mean that it is
> Ariovistus' activism which prompted the Jastorf groups
> to militarize, some of them accompanying him to Gaul.
> There is no evidence of Przeworsk "cultural"
> infiltration of Jastorf, only of the Lippe/Leine
> populations.

But what happened to his 24.000 Harudes?

> According to Hachmann at any rate.****

And most other archaeological timelines I could find. But
something's got to give. Otherwise it's Caesar's statements
we can't trust.

Torsten

Brian