From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
Message: 54998
Date: 2008-03-10
>Plenty of n-infix verbs in PIE are transitive (although most
>> > >Yes, doesn't it. Now what to do with gemination in verbs?
>> >
>> > n-stems and j-stems.
>>
>> That is, the origin of the geminated and nasal-infixed stems is
>> n-stems and j-stems, I presume you mean? How come the n- and j-
>> suffixes survived in some stems and not in others? How come those
>> stems are associated with velar/labial auslaut alternation?
>>
>
>From Cayce: Grammar of the Gothic Language, §329 (fourth weak class)
>"
>Note. — All verbs belonging to this class are intransitive, and
>accordingly have no passive voice.
>§ 830. The verbs of the fourth class are partly denominative and
>partly deverbative, and denote the entering into a state expressed by
>the simplex, as fullnan, to become full; and-bundnan, to become
>unbound, as compared with fulls, full; and-bindan, to unbind. They
>correspond in meaning with the inceptive or inchoative verbs in Latin
>and Greek. They belonged originally to the athematic conjugation(§280)
>and contained in the pres. indic. the formative suffix -ná:- in the
>singular and -nə- in the dual and plural, as in Skr. Sing.
>badh-ná:-mi, I bind, badh-ná:-si, badh-ná:-ti; dual badh-ni:-vás,
>badh-ni:-thás, badh-nī-tás ; pl. badh-ni:-más, badh-ni:-thá,
>badh-n-ánti (= Indg. bhndh-n-énti with vocalic n in the stem). Such
>verbs had the weak grade form of the stem (like the pret. pl. and pp.
>of the first three classes of strong verbs) owing to the accent being
>on the ná:- in the singular and on the ending in the dual and plural.
>The -ná:-, -n&- became -nó:- (§ 42), -na- (§ 41) in prim. Germanic.
>"
>
>But plenty of the 'n-infixed' stems of the language of geminates group
>are transitive?
>j-stems should umlaut. But some of the language of geminates verbs do:I don't know about "dunk", but "duck", despite the spelling,
>German tünchen, Da. dykke, some don't: Engl. dunk, duck. Why?
>> > >The wholeNo. I don't understand the question. What are "these stems"
>> > >language of geminates complex?
>> > >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/46151
>> > >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/46163
>> > >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/46169
>> > >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48657
>> >
>> > Apparently, the language of geminates == Germanic.
>>
>>
>> So, would you say that the occurrence of these stems in other
>> languages are loans?
>
>No answer?