Re: Grimm shift as starting point of "Germanic"

From: tgpedersen
Message: 54954
Date: 2008-03-10

> > >Yes, doesn't it. Now what to do with gemination in verbs?
> >
> > n-stems and j-stems.
>
> That is, the origin of the geminated and nasal-infixed stems is
> n-stems and j-stems, I presume you mean? How come the n- and j-
> suffixes survived in some stems and not in others? How come those
> stems are associated with velar/labial auslaut alternation?
>

From Cayce: Grammar of the Gothic Language, §329 (fourth weak class)
"
Note. — All verbs belonging to this class are intransitive, and
accordingly have no passive voice.
§ 830. The verbs of the fourth class are partly denominative and
partly deverbative, and denote the entering into a state expressed by
the simplex, as fullnan, to become full; and-bundnan, to become
unbound, as compared with fulls, full; and-bindan, to unbind. They
correspond in meaning with the inceptive or inchoative verbs in Latin
and Greek. They belonged originally to the athematic conjugation(§280)
and contained in the pres. indic. the formative suffix -ná:- in the
singular and -nə- in the dual and plural, as in Skr. Sing.
badh-ná:-mi, I bind, badh-ná:-si, badh-ná:-ti; dual badh-ni:-vás,
badh-ni:-thás, badh-nī-tás ; pl. badh-ni:-más, badh-ni:-thá,
badh-n-ánti (= Indg. bhndh-n-énti with vocalic n in the stem). Such
verbs had the weak grade form of the stem (like the pret. pl. and pp.
of the first three classes of strong verbs) owing to the accent being
on the ná:- in the singular and on the ending in the dual and plural.
The -ná:-, -n&- became -nó:- (§ 42), -na- (§ 41) in prim. Germanic.
"

But plenty of the 'n-infixed' stems of the language of geminates group
are transitive?

j-stems should umlaut. But some of the language of geminates verbs do:
German tünchen, Da. dykke, some don't: Engl. dunk, duck. Why?



> > >The whole
> > >language of geminates complex?
> > >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/46151
> > >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/46163
> > >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/46169
> > >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48657
> >
> > Apparently, the language of geminates == Germanic.
>
>
> So, would you say that the occurrence of these stems in other
> languages are loans?

No answer?


Torsten