Re: Post-Postscript on Przeworsk

> > If you had taken the time to search the archives,
> > you would have found
> > with 'Gubin':
> >
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/50599
> >
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/50154
> > but in the reference
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_Poland_(until_966)
> > the text I quote has been excised, with no comment
> > on the discussion page.
> >
> > In other words, that fatal variable in archaeology,
> > direction, has not
> > been settled. Some claim Gubin/Wetterau was settled
> > from Przeworsk,
> > not the other way around. Which makes one wonder,
> > what evidence does
> > Shchukin have of the direction of the
> > Przeworsk/Jastorf influence?
> >
> >
> >
> > Torsten
>
> ****GK: There is NO Przeworsk culture before the
> arrival of the Jastorf+"Gubin Jastorf"+Silesian
> Celts+Bornholmers+
> into the area of early "Przeworsk". That area was
> previously occupied by carriers of the Pomeranian
> culture. Most were either killed or pushed out, and
> the "weak" remnant absorbed. After some 50-60 years,
> when early Przeworsk was in place, some "Pomeranians"
> came back, and were also absorbed. So the direction,
> according to Dombrowska (whom Shchukin is reporting)
> is clearly west->east. It becomes east->west only some
> two centuries later,in the time of Ariovistus. I don't
> know what you mean by "Some claim Gubin/Wetterau was
> settled from Przeworsk"... If there is no X (Przeworsk)
> prior to the advent of Y(Gubin Yastorf), then Y
> clearly is not the result of X.****

You're right.
I found the passage again, now in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_in_Antiquity
"
Much circumstantial evidence points to the participation of Germanic
people from Polish lands in the events that took place in the first
half of 1st century BC and found their culmination in Gaul in 58 BC,
as related in Caesar's Commentarii de Bello Gallico. At the time of
the Suebi tribal confederation led by Ariovistus arrival in Gaul, a
rapid decrease of the settlement density can be observed in the areas
of the upper and middle Oder River basin. In fact the Gubin group of
the Jastorf culture disappeared then entirely, which may indicate this
group's identity with one of the Suebi tribes. The western regions of
the Przeworsk culture were also vacated (Lower Silesia, Lubusz Land
and western Greater Poland), which is where the tribes accompanying
the Suebi tribes must had come from. Burial sites and artifacts
characteristic of the Przeworsk culture have been found in Saxony,
Thuringia and Hesse, on the route of the Suebi offensive. The above
mentioned regions of western Poland had not become repopulated and
economically developed again until in 2nd century CE.
"

There was the east-west trek, under whichever leaders.


Torsten