From: Rick McCallister
Message: 54840
Date: 2008-03-07
> I am not your son, thank God.=== message truncated ===
>
> The Romans repatterned nothing.
>
> They adopted a few fanciful tales to expand their
> corpus of myths but their
> cult was never affected.
>
> Advice from Wikipedia that costs nothing is often
> worth the same.
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 3:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Jupiter
>
>
> > The Romans repatterned their religion after the
> Greeks
> > and adopted their myths. You can't deny that. Eat
> them
> > red herrings till you puke, son.
> >
> >
> > --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
> >
> > > If you think I am agreeing with you, try
> Wikipedia
> > > for the heading 'reading
> > > comprehension'.
> > >
> > > I still deny that proposition.
> > >
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> > > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [tied] Jupiter
> > >
> > >
> > > > So now you agree with me. How malleable you
> are!
> > > > My point was that the Romans added all the
> > > > accoutrements of Zeus and transformed Jupiter
> to a
> > > > clone of Zeus. You orginally denied that and
> now
> > > you
> > > > accept it.
> > > > Thank you!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You are completely right, Joao.
> > > > >
> > > > > What some whose only source of information
> is
> > > > > Wikipedia do not seem to
> > > > > understand is that myths, however
> intrinsically
> > > > > fascinating, do not affect
> > > > > cult and cultural significance except very
> > > > > marginally.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the very shallow, myths are religion.
> > > > >
> > > > > The sky/weather god, who is usually
> associated
> > > with
> > > > > the planet Jupiter,
> > > > > represents Dumézil's tripartite sovereignty
> > > > > â?"â?"â?" not warriordom as one list
> > > > > writer ignorantly opined.
> > > > >
> > > > > One feature of ancient religion that
> Dumézil
> > > > > missed, and I also did for a
> > > > > long time, is that the sovereign god is
> _not_
> > > the
> > > > > creator god, which strikes
> > > > > most of us, who have been brought up in
> > > Christian
> > > > > culture as passing
> > > > > strange.
> > > > >
> > > > > And what I missed altogether for many years
> is
> > > the
> > > > > connection of this
> > > > > creator god, who precedes all others, with
> the
> > > North
> > > > > Pole, and the Northern
> > > > > Circumpolar Region in general; and with
> time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Strangely, this creator god has been
> eclipsed by
> > > his
> > > > > sons and daughters in
> > > > > almost all religions with the notable
> exception
> > > of
> > > > > Judaism, where Yahweh,
> > > > > who is an indelicately mixed bag of
> attributes,
> > > > > still _invisibly_ represents
> > > > > him.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any of the gods and goddesses could fight
> and
> > > enter
> > > > > human conflicts but the
> > > > > war-god, in addition to his martial arts, is
> > > usually
> > > > > regarded with more fear
> > > > > than admiration because of his manic rage,
> > > during
> > > > > the passage of which even
> > > > > the family pets are not safe. This god, not
> > > > > surprisingly, is associated with
> > > > > intoxicants of all kinds. Berserker rage was
> an
> > > > > artificially encouraged if
> > > > > not initiated condition.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only thing I would question in your
> factual
> > > > > presentation below is adding
> > > > > So:te:r to Jupiter's nomenclature. This is,
> of
> > > > > course, Greek; and savior in
> > > > > the commonly understood sense, is not one of
> > > > > Jupiter's usual functions.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Joao S. Lopes"
> <josimo70@...>
> > > > > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 6:30 AM
> > > > > Subject: Res: [tied] Jupiter
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Before the Greek influence, Iupiter was very
> > > similar
> > > > > to Zeus, due his common
> > > > > IE source (Dyeus=Zeus=Jupiter) and previous
> > > Greek
> > > > > influence in Etruscan
> > > > > mythology (Tinia=Zeus). The main influence
> of
> > > Greeks
> > > > > in Jupiter was that
> > > > > Roman Jupiter absorbed all myths from Greek
> > > Zeus,
> > > > > his children, genealogy,
> > > > > and tales. Roman Iupiter was not son of
> Saturn
> > > > > before being assimilated to
> > > > > Zeus son Kronos.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Mensagem original ----
> > > > > De: Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>
> > > > > Para: Cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 6 de Março de 2008
> > > 21:15:15
> > > > > Assunto: [tied] Jupiter
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's what Wikipedia has
> to
> > > say
> > > > > (1st section)
> > > > > Note that Jupiter held the same role as Zeus
> > > --i.e.
> > > > > Jupiter had been assimilated to Zeus. Note
> the
> > > Greek
> > > > > title Soter. This is, of course, after the
> > > Romans
> > > > > had
> > > > > assimilated much of Greek culture.
> > > > >
> > > > > In Roman mythology, Jupiter (Iuppiter in
> Latin)
> > > held
> > > > > the same role as Zeus in the Greek pantheon.
> He
>