Re: PIE meaning of the Germanic dental preterit

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2008-03-01 17:52, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>
> > This 'excelent' idea needs to be aware that there are No Locative
> > Compounds in dHeh1-
>
> *k^red-dHeh1-, with its double full grade and the second member
> conjugated like a free-standing verb (at least in Sanskrit) looks

like

> a univerbated phrase. Consequently, the first member can well be an
> inflected case form rather than the compositional form of a root

noun.

> The _noun_ <s'raddHá:> is possibly a nomen actionis in *-ah2,
> *k^red-dH(h1)-áh2. It's found only in Indo-Iranian, while the
> distribution of the verb guarantees its PIE status.

Piotr, I agree that the full grade is the problem. But forget this
for a moment. (I think that kr.ddHeh1 was impossible to be pronounced
even with r., and due to this, a secondary-e was added=>but this is
only my guess)

But you cannot assert *k^red-dH(h1)-áh2 for this noun in place of
*k^red-dHeh1 when we have
*mn.s-dHeh1 (noun) Skt. medhá:-
*miHes-dHeh1 (noun) Skt. miy'edha-
*swe-dHeh1 (noun)
*mis-dHeh1 (noun)
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*k^red-dHeh1 (noun) Skt. s'raddHá: belongs here: we
can see the pattern

Please keep the right way.

There is only bayditi that is more probable from a verb ..but even
there is a doubt

So I think that 'we are close to accept' (===> I don't like the
idea) that:
1. PIE -dheh1 compounds were never applied to a <Verb>-dheh1
2. and that in addition the result was always a <Noun> too,
3. and that all the derived PIE-dHeh1- verbs (and for sure *k^red-
dHeh1- is one of them and baidyti another too) are denominal verbs

So you 'need to go too' to baidyti first, to see if another verb
<X>-dheh1 could exists or not, because *k^red-dHeh1- alone ....


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> > (from here the logical question why mn.s-dhe'h1 semantism wasn't
> > constructed based on a locative too (and in fact no other dheh1-
> > construction))
>
> This looks like a real compound, Av. mazda: < *mn.s-dHéh1-

'thinker'

> (the corresponding phrase would be *menos dHidHeh1ti 'fixes the

mind [on

> sth]'). Skt. medHá: 'wisdom, intelligence' may be the corresponding
> abstract noun, perhaps the collective (*mns.dH(h1)ah2) of the

adjective

> *mns.dH(h1)-o- 'characterising a thinker'.
>
> Piotr

A too long way to imagine ...once we saw LIVE the English 'mindset'
as a new avatar of the PIE '*mn.s-dHéh1' and the English 'heartset'
as a new avatar of the PIE *k^red-dHeh1-

Marius