From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 54269
Date: 2008-02-28
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From: "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] PIE meaning of the Germanic dental preterit
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
wrote:
<snip>
> Marius, you have a serious misunderstanding of compound structure
in PIE.
>
> It is a phrase, 'put fear into' = 'scare' in _exactly_ the same
pattern as
> 'put heart into' = 'trust'.
>
> Normally, the nominal element comes first, then the verbal element.
From where you arrive to a Noun when we have Only the Root for the
Stem?
So I didn't agree here:
bHoih- in baidyti is Only a Root-Stem and the Root basically
indicates the Verb not the Noun => so is not Noun+Verb => is
Verb+<dheh1> (in baidyti I mean)
<Noun + dheh1-> gave Noun in PIE
<Verb + dheh1-> gave Verb in PIE
etc...
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I analyze the pattern found in *k^red-dhe:- as Noun + Verb. Do you not?
Root-Stem? How about Root Noun? I presume you know of them.
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Even so you have indicated somehow what I wanted to say too.
The Verbal Compounds in dheh1- are not related to the constructions
V1 + V2 or
S1 + S2
they are more related to a
Verb + <Sufix + Ending> construction
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If I indicated that, I apologize.
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> It is not a modal marker at all. It is simply a common phrase
containing
> noun+verb that has been compounded into a single verb.
Is not Noun+dH(e)h1- : because we have only the Root-stem bHoih-
and a PIE root indicates basically the Verb
So Wrong Assumption => Wrong Conclusion
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Wrong analysis, wrong conclusion.
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> These compounds are not periphrastic verbal constructions but
simple
> compounded verbs.
They are once X in X-dheh1- is a Verb there is no other way to
interpret it.
Marius
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You are absolutely wrong.
Patrick
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