Re: Uralic Continuity Theory (was: Meaning of Aryan: now, "white peo

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "jouppe" <jouppe@> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > > otsa <= *antj- 'forhead'
> > > maha 'belly'

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> > *h2entiós does not have **a in the root. It is a colouring of the

e-

> > grade.
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> which is PPIE *a, preserved before and after -x- (h2). But some

thing

> else occurred to me: it should have had *k- as a loan in Fennic.

Which

> it doesn't, so post-PIE loan (post laryngel disappearan ce anyway.

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The period is different.
*onc´c´a <= *antja/anthja
would be from paleogermanic, last part of last millennium BCE.
Larngeals were substituted by k some 1500-2500 years earlier.
Jouppe
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But

> look at this:
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> DEO
> "
> kant, Sw, Nw, id. "edge", like German Kante borrowed through MLG
> kant(e), MDu. cant from OFr. cant "corner, hook", from Lat. cantus
> "iron rail" ... orig. of Gallic orig, corr. cant "wheel rim", Bret.
> cant "circle"
> "
> cf. Kent.
>
> The distribution indicates NWBlock, cf Low German Waterkant
> "waterfront". Pre-IE substrate *kant- > PIE xant-?

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Why not PIE *kant-? The plosive was available? Maybe you should
assume PIE *h2- => substrate *k => Latin k ?
Jouppe
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> > I'm not sure about whether *mak- really has a genuine contentious

*a

> > or perhaps mh1k- in zero grade.
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> How would you pronounce that?
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Considering language universals, you'd be surprised what's
pronouncible.

Considering that the evidence of the laryngeals is strongest
established without any preconceptions about their phonetic values,
and that the speculation in their phonetic value is much more
uncertain, it would be cicular to refuse a reconstruction on the
basis of pronounciability.
I haven't heard Indo-Europeanists in general being too bothered how
the laryngeals could have been pronounced in different sequences.

Certainly if there ever was a verbal root meh1k- it could have had
nouns formed in the zero grade with mh1k-
Jouppe
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> > Distribution is very skewed to the west so the material is

scarce.

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> As a said: substrate.
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> > Lith. has ma~kas, me~keris in Pokorny Page(s): 698. There are

plenty

> > of people to help us here on this one.
> >
> > Jouppe