Re: e: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKA

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From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: e: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKA


>
> Well, let me try to raise my sights:
>
> PA *i, *a, *u = PIE *YA, *A(blautvokal), *WA
>
> PIE *A = *e, *o, or *Ø.
>
> Patrick
>
> ==================
>
> I give a couple of words to look at :
>
> PIE *e = PAA *a
>
> A funny word is :
> Amalthea "the goat/nymph
> "who" nourished Zeus
> < H2ml-thé-H2
> Arabic ta&mal
> (inverted morpheme order ?)
> t + &_m_l
>
> PIE *i = PAA *i
>
> PIE has few words
> where *i is clearly
> a vowel and not avocalic yod.
>
> Dialectal French
> isard = mountain goat, chamois
> Hebrew &ez "goat"
> Arabic ma:&iz "young goat"
> Word : *&iz
> (Iranian izaena is
> from Kartvelian dzixgi)
>
> Another word
> is skrt ni:ra "nuit"
> with i_a scheme
> Arabic layla
> Root is *n_y_l
>
> PIE *o = PAA *u
>
> Dog : *kuHon
> Berber *q_zh_un
>
> PIE *u/w = PAA *u/emphasis
>
> PAA has reinterpreted *u
> as emphasis
>
> Cf Dog word
> ku > kw > q
>
> I let you try to refute these examples.
>
> Arnaud
>
> =================

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Arnaud, I am not trying to be rude but I do not see the point of this.

In working my way through Orel & Stolbova, I found their Hamito-Semitic
roots
_rarely_
had vowels that corresponded to PIE vowels -
and if they were short, it was pure coincidence.

With _short_ vowels, I know pretty much from my reconstructed Proto-Language
what the earliest vowels should be but

1) with PIE, you just have stress-accentual allophones of the *A(blautvokal)
so PIE *é can correspond to PL E/A/O and PA (HS) *i/*a/*u/*o/*e.

2) likewise, PIE *o and even *Ø can correspond to any vowel in PL or PA (HS)
in the list above.

3) though sometimes PA (HS) *i/*a/*u correspond to PL E/A/O, vowel
patterning seems already to have been operational in PA (HS) so these may
also be coincidence.

4) in addition to patterning, it appears to me that some vocalic
harmonization or, at least, assimilation is also operational.

Though I believe PIE long vowels were stable (*e:/*a:/*o:), PA (HS) does not
seem to have long vowels because the 'laryngeals' that caused length in PIE
are still integral to PA (HS). So, no correspondence there is possible
either.

I am sorry: there is nothing there to refute.


Patrick