Re: Indo-Uralic?

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 53488
Date: 2008-02-17

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> This root *noh "woman" is not clearly attested in PIE
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> Arnaud

The original is g´neh2- as behind greek gune: and sanskrit gná:
Jouppe

I disagree with the strongest force.

PU *nohu "woman" has nothing to do with PIE *gw_n
and has to be compared with :
Sino-tibetan noh "woman"
Chinese nü3 "woman"
Tibetan mnah "a bride"
and you can see that Salish has *nexw "woman"

Refuted.

Arnaud
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> 2) PIE laryngeals correspond to Pre-Finnic fricative
> *s in cases like:
-Old Finnish inhi-(m-inen)
> 'human being' < PreFi *insi- (<**jinsi-) 'descendant'
> <= PIE *c'nh-(i)e/o- > Sanskrit jā́- 'born,
> offspring, descendant', Gmc. *kunja- 'generation,
> lineage, kin'

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> 3) PIE laryngeals correspond to Pre-Finnic *k in
> wordstems like:
-Finnish kesä- 'summer' < PFU
> *kesä- <= PIE *hes-en- (*hos-en-/-er-) > Balto-Slavic
> *eseni- 'autumn', Gothic asans 'summer'
-Finnish
> kulke- 'to go, walk, wander' ~ Hungarian halad- 'to
> go, walk, proceed' < PFU *kulki- <= PIE *qelH-e/o- >
> Greek pelomai '(originally) to be moving', Sanskrit
> cárati 'goes, walks, wanders (about)', cognate Lat.
> colere 'to till, cultivate, inhabit'

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> PU word "summer" probably means "hot"
> Cf. Turkish kiz-dirmak
> and a couple of Uralic words like Udmurt gitch "hot".
> Arnaud

The word 'kesä' is not PU but western Finno-Permic (cf. Saami gaesse,
Ersä-Mordvinic 'kize', no udmurt here). Turkish has of course nothing
to do with Finno-Permic.

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The reconstruction like pseudo-Finnish kesä is worse than bad.
Moksha is kiza : impossibly derivable from this thing **kesä

This word can be compared with Chinese xia4 "summer"

The root *g_ts "hot" > "summer" is widely attested
in all eastern Eurasia.

Arnaud

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