Re: Indo-Uralic?

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--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud"
<fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

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> From: Rick McCallister
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> I ran into this on line. Any validity to what he says?
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> 1) PIE laryngeals correspond to PU fricative *χ
> in cases like:
-Finnish nai-/naa- 'woman' < PU
> *näχi-/*naχï- <= PIE *c'næħ-/ > Greek
> gunē 'woman', Sanskrit gnā´ 'Godess'

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> This root *noh "woman" is not clearly attested in PIE
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> Arnaud

The original is g´neh2- as behind greek gune: and sanskrit gná:
I use a slightliy simplified/innovative transcription of PIE on my
site in order to avoid difficult digraphs and trigraphs. It is
explained at http://koti.welho.com/jschalin/transcription.htm

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> 2) PIE laryngeals correspond to Pre-Finnic fricative
> *s in cases like:
-Old Finnish inhi-(m-inen)
> 'human being' < PreFi *insi- (<**jinsi-) 'descendant'
> <= PIE *c'nh-(i)e/o- > Sanskrit jā́- 'born,
> offspring, descendant', Gmc. *kunja- 'generation,
> lineage, kin'

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> Absurd
> Arnaud

Nothing absurd about this. It fulfills main criteria for a good loan
etymology: sound correspondancies are completely regular, the
evolution of meaning is reasonable (cf. parallell gr. gonos
m. 'descendant', etc = OInd jána-h m. 'human' etc.) In addition no
good competing etymology exist for the word.

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> 3) PIE laryngeals correspond to Pre-Finnic *k in
> wordstems like:
-Finnish kesä- 'summer' < PFU
> *kesä- <= PIE *hes-en- (*hos-en-/-er-) > Balto-Slavic
> *eseni- 'autumn', Gothic asans 'summer'
-Finnish
> kulke- 'to go, walk, wander' ~ Hungarian halad- 'to
> go, walk, proceed' < PFU *kulki- <= PIE *qelH-e/o- >
> Greek pelomai '(originally) to be moving', Sanskrit
> cárati 'goes, walks, wanders (about)', cognate Lat.
> colere 'to till, cultivate, inhabit'

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> PU word "summer" probably means "hot"
> Cf. Turkish kiz-dirmak
> and a couple of Uralic words like Udmurt gitch "hot".
> Arnaud

The word 'kesä' is not PU but western Finno-Permic (cf. Saami gaesse,
Ersä-Mordvinic 'kize', no udmurt here). Turkish has of course nothing
to do with Finno-Permic.

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> -Finnish teke- 'do, make' ~ Hungarian tëv-, të-, tesz-
> 'to do, make, put, place' < PFU *teki- <= PIE *t,eh- >
> Greek títhēmi, Sanskrit dádhāti 'put,
> place', but 'do, make' in the western IE languages,
> e.g. the Germanic forms do, German tun, etc., and
> Latin faciō.
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> Obviously a loanword from *dh_H1
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> Arnaud
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> http://koti.welho.com/jschalin/substitutions.htm
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