Re: Bird

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From: stlatos

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Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:32 AM

Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied] Bird

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> The idea is very creative.
> From H1_ks-p_tn-yó should it not be *assanni- in proto-Celtic ?
> Unstressed > hence schwa > *a
> ARnaud
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I do not believe that:

1. prepositions like *en, *ekYs began with *h1 (though it seems
certain for most verbs)

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It might be true.

But it 's more probable they did. (structural "pressure")

Or H1en  is H1_ plus -n- (two morphemes)

Arnaud

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2. e-stress > 0 or reduced V in all positions

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I think words and word-formations with more than one full vowel

cannot be very ancient.

Earliest PIE allowed only one full vowel in the squeleton, final desinence included.

Such a word as *H1_ks-p_tn-yó is not "old" : it's Celtic-stage creation.

EArly PIE did not allow that kind of compounds.

ARnaud

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3. a final high tone meant no tone on any other syllable

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Maybe

but compounds usually have secondary "half-weak" tones

Arnaud
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> OE bridd / bird 'young bird, chicken'
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> Germanic is not a variety of PIE where consonants are unstable.
> I don't believe in most steps of this sequence.
> Arnaud
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2. metathesis in a cluster like kspt created at a morpheme boundary
is fully understandable

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Well,

it could also be "eased up" by loss of some consonant(s)

or some schwas can be inserted.

H°ks-p°t-nyos looks good.

 

Arnaud

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3. words for 'feather' and 'bird' both having all 3 C able to come
from PIE p-t-r makes a connection likely

4. 2 words with the same meaning in neighboring branches which share
some vocabulary and contain borrowings from each other are more likely
to be from the same original. The Celtic one has a certain origin,
the OE uncertain; if they can be linked by the similarities mentioned
a different origin would be extremely unlikely.
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You mean this word was previously proto-Irish then borrowed into English ?

is that what you mean ?

 

The major problem with this idea is that bridd starts with  #b- ?

How is it that (h)eks- disappeared altogether ?

 Arnaud
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