Re: Bird (was: Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian)

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From: tgpedersen

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Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:44 PM

Subject: [Courrier indésirable] [tied] Re: Bird (was: Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian)

> OE bridd / bird 'young bird, chicken'
>

This is easier: from some substrate with p,t > bh,dh (> b,d in Germanic)
*bed-ro- > *bred-ro- > bridd

Actually Holzer claims to have found *bedro "feather, wing"
(supposedly < PIE *pet-ro) in his Temematic substrate in Slavic, cf
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/32179
namely in names of certain plants (with composite, 'gefiederte'
leaves) and insects.

He also lists bedro "thigh" as a temematic word (supposedly <
*ped-ro). I wonder if they are the same word and related to *p-t-
"open up"? Møller does list that *p-t- with Semitic cognates.
Following his own rules for accounting for 'Noreen alternation'
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/27999
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/47591
one could set up a root *bhedh- alternating with *pet-, and then there
would be no need for a Temematic substrate; some of Holzer's Temematic
words have strange Noreen alternations in Germanic too, ie.
PIE pork^o- vs. Du. varken, Ger. Verkel, Gothic barg-s "pig"

Torsten

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I have made the hypothesis that PIE had a nasal prefix,

most probably #m- (as in PAA) (unprovable because of assimilation)

this could be the explanation.

In that case bridd could be good Germanic out of *m-pet-ro > *bhedhro.

I didn't know about these Noreen alternations,

Notice that nemos (Lituanian ?) instead of demos can be from m-demos > nemos.

because early PIE-stage *nd > *n.

Alternations applied to voiced phonemes as well.

 

Arnaud

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