Re: Dutch/vlaams (was [tied] Etruscans)

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From: tgpedersen

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Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:12 PM

Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: Dutch/vlaams (was [tied] Etruscans)

 

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> Torsten :
> >  Fulkonis de Bolonia (gén.), 1295, C. -
> > Gilles de Boloinge, 1 lb., 1298, T. -
> >  Trise de Bolonge, 1283, A.
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> >  Two of the names, Fulcho and Trise, are Germanic.
> I know that Truus is Dutch name. Where would you place 'Trise'?
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Arnaud

According to Brian McScott,

Trise is from Beatrice,

So I cannot see why it can't French in the first place and why it must be Dutch ?

This claim it is Dutch is ridiculous.

So you have only one name left to support your claim something is Dutch.

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 Arnaud
> Pt 1 : Germanic invaders around Boulogne / mer are Saxons.
> > The area around Boulogne/mer has been invaded by Saxons,
> within a radius of about 30 km between 500 and 600.
> The place-names have distinctly Saxon : AltSaechsisch features.
> Audresselles : Oderselle (1075) < Auda-Hari-seel : seel not saal.
> Selles < Selis (826)


> Most villages around Boulogne end in -thun from *-tu:n and
> -hem/-hen/-ent from *haim Frethun : Fraidon-tun
> Rinxent : Rinning-s-haim.
> these Saxon names from *haim are pronounced with nasal vowel [aN]
> while Flemish names are pronounced with nasal vowel [eN] or read
> [-em]

Source?

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I am a native speaker of the language

If you say something about modern Danish,

I won't ask for a source.

Arnaud

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> It is completely farfetched to suppose that the area, mostly
> occupied by gallo-romans then invaded by Saxons and Norse should
> speak Dutch.

Calais did.

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Arnaud

I said Boulogne's area never spoke Dutch

I agree that the area north-east from there did.

Calais did and the area north and east of Calais did too

I am not discussing obvious known truths

The fact that Dutch was spoken in Flanders and Calais is irrelevant

when it comes to Boulogne.

Otherwise Dutch was also spoken in Berck, Dieppes, Fécamp, Rouen and Portugal ? if you apply a recurrence every 40 km.

If you apply long enough, you will reach Afrikaans !

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